tom webster Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Looks like he signed for the minimum. Not sure they would have done this if Gogulla stayed. Maybe he can surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Looks like he signed for the minimum. Not sure they would have done this if Gogulla stayed. Maybe he can surprise. No harm done either way. The Southorn thing could be a bit surprising though. It sounded like they were high on him last year. Then again, I have no idea what kind of season he had this year. Also, the glut of defensemen at the AHL level does present a slight problem. Why not just loan someone to the ECHL if they have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chileanseabass Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Why not just loan someone to the ECHL if they have to? or become a partial affiliate. you just loan a player or two to an echl club, and try to maintain that number throughout the season. it's not that uncommon. here in charlotte we had 7 or 8 guys under contract to the rangers (main affiliate) and 1 or 2 from colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 or become a partial affiliate. you just loan a player or two to an echl club, and try to maintain that number throughout the season. it's not that uncommon. here in charlotte we had 7 or 8 guys under contract to the rangers (main affiliate) and 1 or 2 from colorado. I don't think that makes much sense for a more budget conscious team though unless there are regional ties. Any player on an entry level deal can feely be loaned to the ECHL, so there's no need for an agreement. The type of player that you'd specifically be signing for the ECHL more than likely isn't going to have any impact on your franchise, so it probably isn't worth the few extra contracts. It's good that some teams can do it though. It's good for the sport in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I don't think that makes much sense for a more budget conscious team though unless there are regional ties. Any player on an entry level deal can feely be loaned to the ECHL, so there's no need for an agreement. The type of player that you'd specifically be signing for the ECHL more than likely isn't going to have any impact on your franchise, so it probably isn't worth the few extra contracts. It's good that some teams can do it though. It's good for the sport in the long term. I would like to nominate my local ECHL team for Sabres affiliation - Its a great way to build your NHL market if the ECHL team is within driving distance of Buffalo (mine is). The local Yokels get hooked on the young kids and can follow their careers up through the bigs. We are even close enough for PA to make it to a game, although I hope the crowd isn't too boisterous for his grumpy old ears. Ever consider he thought the Sabres games were too quiet because he's going deaf in his old age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I would like to nominate my local ECHL team for Sabres affiliation - Its a great way to build your NHL market if the ECHL team is within driving distance of Buffalo (mine is). The local Yokels get hooked on the young kids and can follow their careers up through the bigs. We are even close enough for PA to make it to a game, although I hope the crowd isn't too boisterous for his grumpy old ears. Ever consider he thought the Sabres games were too quiet because he's going deaf in his old age? See, that's the thing. With the vast majority of ECHL talent, their high end potential is the AHL. You're not getting very many guys that claw their way up to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 See, that's the thing. With the vast majority of ECHL talent, their high end potential is the AHL. You're not getting very many guys that claw their way up to the top. True, but it does happen, and could happen more often if Major junior didn't have 20 and 21 year old players mucking up their rosters. Even if they don't make it, people know they are Sabres property and hopefully develop a passion for the parent team. Chicago's goalie was playing for the Rockford Ice Hogs a year or two ago. You think the people in Rockford aren't pulling for the hawks right now? $hit. I just checked Hock DB, and they have the ice hogs as an AHL franchise - they were a UHL franchise the last I knew! Screws up my argument, but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 True, but it does happen, and could happen more often if Major junior didn't have 20 and 21 year old players mucking up their rosters. Even if they don't make it, people know they are Sabres property and hopefully develop a passion for the parent team. Chicago's goalie was playing for the Rockford Ice Hogs a year or two ago. You think the people in Rockford aren't pulling for the hawks right now? $hit. I just checked Hock DB, and they have the ice hogs as an AHL franchise - they were a UHL franchise the last I knew! Screws up my argument, but you get the point. Of course there's the random guy here or there, but if you go into one of those games looking for future NHLers, you're going to be very disappointed. Go for decent hockey and you're fine. And your last line in that post got a really good laugh out of me. I was all ready to correct you then you went and did it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Of course there's the random guy here or there, but if you go into one of those games looking for future NHLers, you're going to be very disappointed. Go for decent hockey and you're fine. And your last line in that post got a really good laugh out of me. I was all ready to correct you then you went and did it yourself. The hockey isn't bad but the officiating sucks. The great thing about the ECHL and why it could be such a great hook for NHL teams is the accessibility of the players. My sons play travel hockey out of the same facility, and the ECHL guys are involved in our program. Half the ECHL team knows my kids by name, and when they see them around the rink they will take the time to say hi and ask them how their season is going. That is more than I ever expected from 20 something year old kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 The hockey isn't bad but the officiating sucks. The great thing about the ECHL and why it could be such a great hook for NHL teams is the accessibility of the players. My sons play travel hockey out of the same facility, and the ECHL guys are involved in our program. Half the ECHL team knows my kids by name, and when they see them around the rink they will take the time to say hi and ask them how their season is going. That is more than I ever expected from 20 something year old kids. I can't speak for the kids out of the CHL, but a lot of the college guys who wind up there were exposed to that stuff while at school. I'd imagine the canadians have a lot of that too since their game is so big up there. More than anything though, I think it's tough to get a big head at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 No harm done either way. The Southorn thing could be a bit surprising though. It sounded like they were high on him last year. Then again, I have no idea what kind of season he had this year. Also, the glut of defensemen at the AHL level does present a slight problem. Why not just loan someone to the ECHL if they have to? He's a good talent and i agree, i thought they were high on him as well, but it doesn't seem he has his head on straight. According to SabresProspects.com guy he has maturity issues greater then Kassian and somebody on another forum who wrote prior to June 1st that he wouldn't sign said the reason was Southorn wanted a max rookie contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 He's a good talent and i agree, i thought they were high on him as well, but it doesn't seem he has his head on straight. According to SabresProspects.com guy he has maturity issues greater then Kassian and somebody on another forum who wrote prior to June 1st that he wouldn't sign said the reason was Southorn wanted a max rookie contract. Ha! Good luck with that one, kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Southorn didn't get signed? Uh oh! Sound the DR red alert! Better replenish the blueline pipeline ASAP to make sure it continues to overflow with more prospects than they have room for. Blueliners must be picked in the first 3 rounds! We are down to.... Weber Gragnani Persson Kostka Generous Scheistel Brennan Crawford Biega McNabb Adams Feinhage ...and probably a couple of others that I am missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 There are a number of players re-entering the draft: ReEntering The Draft Buffalo -> Jordon Southorn - D - QMJHL - 104th Carolina -> Samuel Morneau - LW - OMJHL - 195th Chicago -> Teigan Zahn - D - WHL - 132nd Colorado -> Peter Delmas - G - QMJHL - 61st Colorado -> Kelsey Tessier - C - QMJHL - 110th Dallas -> Matt Tassone - C - WHL - 176th Detroit -> Stephen Johnston - C - OHL - 181st Los Angeles -> Geordie Wudrick - LW - WHL - 88th Montreal -> Jason Missiaen - G - OHL - 116th Montreal -> Nicklas Torp - D - SEL - 163rd New Jersey -> Matt Delahey - D - WHL - 112th New York Islanders -> Jared Spurgeon - D - WHL - 156th New York Rangers -> Chris Doyle - C -QMJHL - 141st New York Rangers -> Mitch Gaulton - D - OHL - 171st Philly -> Jacob DeSerres - G - WHL - 84th Phoenix -> Tim Billingsley - D - OHL - 189th Pittsburgh -> Nathan Moon - C - OHL - 120th Pittsburgh -> Alexander Pechurski - G - KHL/WHL - 150th**** Defected (Not Eligible) San Jose -> Samuel Groulx - G - QMJHL - 92nd San Jose -> Julien Demers - D - OHL - 146th St. Louis -> James Livingston - RW - OHL - 70th Tampa Bay -> Kyle DeCoste - RW - OHL - 147th Tampa Bay -> Matias Sointu - LW - OHL/SML - 182nd Tampa Bay -> David Carle - D - N/A - 203rd ****Retired Due to Heart Condition Vancouver -> Morgan Clark - G - WHL - 191st Washington -> Eric Mestery D - WHL - 57th Washington -> Joel Broda - C - WHL - 144th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Southorn didn't get signed? Uh oh! Sound the DR red alert! Better replenish the blueline pipeline ASAP to make sure it continues to overflow with more prospects than they have room for. Blueliners must be picked in the first 3 rounds! We are down to.... Weber Gragnani Persson Kostka Generous Scheistel Brennan Crawford Biega McNabb Adams Feinhage ...and probably a couple of others that I am missing. Who will be the first to make the lame fax machine joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Who will be the first to make the lame fax machine joke? I thought I heard that Darcy had a failed MagicJack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 I thought I heard that Darcy had a failed MagicJack. I heard his Fleshlight batteries went dead too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Southorn didn't get signed? Uh oh! Sound the DR red alert! Better replenish the blueline pipeline ASAP to make sure it continues to overflow with more prospects than they have room for. Blueliners must be picked in the first 3 rounds! We are down to.... Weber Gragnani Persson Kostka Generous Scheistel Brennan Crawford Biega McNabb Adams Feinhage ...and probably a couple of others that I am missing. Yeah, but can any of them play??? Having lots of prospects is good, having good prospects is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 I heard his Fleshlight batteries went dead too. My guess is this goes straight over the head of 75% of the posters, who will think you made an unfunny joke with a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Yeah, but can any of them play??? Having lots of prospects is good, having good prospects is better. Having a coaching staff capable of developing your defenseman would be great as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Having a coaching staff capable of developing your defenseman would be great as well. Great. Another avatar I don't get. As for your post: Myers looked pretty good last year, didn't he? And wouldn't you say that Soupy developed pretty well on Lindy's watch? For that matter, Tallinder has developed into a good enough player to get not one but 2 fat NHL contracts (counting the one he's about to get, which I expect will be at least as much as the one the Sabres gave him). Have ANY defensemen underperformed for Lindy and then gone on to play better elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Washington -> Joel Broda - C - WHL - 144th I say pick him up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdayiTuj1_A Lays out the hit, then pounds the guy coming after him. Been a point-per-game players since his 3rd season in the WHL and was close to it in his second. He's 6'0" (6'1" on some sites), 203 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Having a coaching staff capable of developing your defenseman would be great as well. Well they did a great job of developing Myers!!! Oh, wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 I say pick him up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdayiTuj1_A Lays out the hit, then pounds the guy coming after him. Been a point-per-game players since his 3rd season in the WHL and was close to it in his second. He's 6'0" (6'1" on some sites), 203 lbs. And went unsigned for a reason. Washington has done very well with their prospects lately too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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