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wildcat48 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Pirates keep winning on the road Worcester, Mass. ? Mark Mancari, Tim Kennedy and Nathan Gerbe all had multiple points as the Portland Pirates held off the Worcester Sharks, 5-3, before a Wednesday night crowd of 2,202 at the DCU Center in Worcester, Mass. Read More>>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Pirates keep winning on the roadRead More>>> Man, you work fast. Nice job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Am I the only one who's ready to send Stafford down and bring up Gerbe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Am I the only one who's ready to send Stafford down and bring up Gerbe? Apparently. Dineen says there's been no talk of Stafford being sent down... Though I'd have no problem with it... wait, did I just contradict myself? *sigh* time for bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 If they decide to send Stafford down, that's fine, but how would they fit Gerbe in? They'd need to make another roster move. Just let the kid play and don't rush him. The best thing about the Sabres this season has been their improvement in their own end and the forwards away from the puck. I don't care how many goals he scores in the AHL, Gerbe would certainly still be a big liablility in this area. The Sabres are in good shape right now, no need to rush him, let him learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneGibbous Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 staff is too late in his development to be send down. it would be counterproductive. he just has to learn to play through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 staff is too late in his development to be send down. it would be counterproductive. he just has to learn to play through this. I agree. It would be tough to see Stafford struggle through another year like last season, but I think that he is here for this season and probably next season with the potential loss of Connolly, Max & Kotalik in the forward ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I like Stafford and I worry about how he would react, but he is younger than MacArthur. Just because he has played more NHL games and is perceived as a better, more skilled prospect it doesn't mean he is futher along in his development, necessarily. maybe he needs a wakeup call to play with the urgency MacArthur has this season. Either way, they don't have the luxury of babying him unless they want to expose someone to waivers. It's not out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I think a 1- to 2-week stint in the A, which is probably all it would be until another forward gets hurt, could be a good wake-up call for Stafford. I also think it would be better than having him be a healthy scratch for 3-5 games in Buffalo, which is the most likely outcome -- i.e. I think at this point, Stafford is the healthy scratch, and Paille, MacArthur, Mair and Kaleta all are going to play, until the next stinker loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I think a 1- to 2-week stint in the A, which is probably all it would be until another forward gets hurt, could be a good wake-up call for Stafford. I also think it would be better than having him be a healthy scratch for 3-5 games in Buffalo, which is the most likely outcome -- i.e. I think at this point, Stafford is the healthy scratch, and Paille, MacArthur, Mair and Kaleta all are going to play, until the next stinker loss. OK, but how do they get to the roster limit? Do they expose Ellis or Paetsch to waivers? Peters? Send Kaleta down because he doesn't go through waivers? It's not as simple as just scratching Stafford ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 OK, but how do they get to the roster limit? Do they expose Ellis or Paetsch to waivers? Peters? Send Kaleta down because he doesn't go through waivers? It's not as simple as just scratching Stafford ... Well, I think the best move to get to the limit is to send down Stafford. You are certainly right that healthy-scratching Stafford doesn't solve the problem -- if they do scratch him, they will most likely waive Ellis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I like Stafford and I worry about how he would react, but he is younger than MacArthur. Just because he has played more NHL games and is perceived as a better, more skilled prospect it doesn't mean he is futher along in his development, necessarily. maybe he needs a wakeup call to play with the urgency MacArthur has this season. Either way, they don't have the luxury of babying him unless they want to expose someone to waivers. It's not out of the question. While he is in fact younger than MacArthur, that probably isn't a factor here. MacArthur: 4/6/85 Stafford: 10/30/85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 While he is in fact younger than MacArthur, that probably isn't a factor here. MacArthur: 4/6/85 Stafford: 10/30/85 I guess my point was that if MacArthur was off to a slow start and didn't have to clear waivers, I doubt anyone would say he is "too far along" to be sent down ... they'd say he's not ready and he's only 23 ... I'm just saying why can't the same be said about Stafford? Again, I like him a lot and believe he will be a better player than MacArthur, but not sure they we need to baby him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 What has Ellis shown that we would miss him if he were waived? Seems like an easy solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Well, I think the best move to get to the limit is to send down Stafford. You are certainly right that healthy-scratching Stafford doesn't solve the problem -- if they do scratch him, they will most likely waive Ellis. Waive Ellis. He's a nice player but if you need his type by mid-season you go into the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I guess my point was that if MacArthur was off to a slow start and didn't have to clear waivers, I doubt anyone would say he is "too far along" to be sent down ... they'd say he's not ready and he's only 23 ... I'm just saying why can't the same be said about Stafford? Again, I like him a lot and believe he will be a better player than MacArthur, but not sure they we need to baby him. Yeah, Stafford has definitely been rushed much faster than most guys in this organization. But then again, if he's struggling at this level, maybe that AHL wakeup call is exactly what he needs. Just look at great results for guys like Roy and Pominville. It's a slightly different situation, but I think it's a good comparison. What has Ellis shown that we would miss him if he were waived? Seems like an easy solution. It's an obvious no brainer that if anyone gets waived, it's him. But then again, if you have to have someone sitting in the press box next to Peters on a nightly basis, I'd much rather see it be him instead of a guy like Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm fine with waiving Ellis, I guess ... but as often as the centers get hurt, it could leave them short at some point ... X, I don't see that kind of player in the organization ... lots of young skill but ... there is no grinding center type guy who won't kill you on draws and in your own end ... like Chris Taylor used to be ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I think a 1- to 2-week stint in the A, which is probably all it would be until another forward The Skill gets hurt fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 What has Ellis shown that we would miss him if he were waived? Seems like an easy solution. Definitely the easy choice. The question, though, is whether there is value to sending Stafford down at this point. If he is going to be a healthy scratch for a few games, maybe it would be better to have him light it up in the AHL for a little bit to get that feeling back. Not only that, but once he is down there, then it becomes just as easy to call up somebody else (Mancari, Kennedy, Gerbe, etc.). While I don't necessarily advocate such a move, the threat of it might be motivation for Stafford not to slack off down there. Those kids are on fire down there and he will need to outperform them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm fine with waiving Ellis, I guess ... but as often as the centers get hurt, it could leave them short at some point ... X, I don't see that kind of player in the organization ... lots of young skill but ... there is no grinding center type guy who won't kill you on draws and in your own end ... like Chris Taylor used to be ... I can't help but wonder if that type of player isn't constantly available on the waiver wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I can't help but wonder if that type of player isn't constantly available on the waiver wire. Maybe so ... it's a risk either way, just depends what you want to risk. They know Stafford better than we do, if they think it is too big a risk to send him down because he may not respond to it and regress more, maybe they risk having to find another Ellis if the need arises. (Stafford does not strike me as being that fragile but ... who knows.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm fine with waiving Ellis, I guess ... but as often as the centers get hurt, it could leave them short at some point ... X, I don't see that kind of player in the organization ... lots of young skill but ... there is no grinding center type guy who won't kill you on draws and in your own end ... like Chris Taylor used to be ... I'd say the odds are less then 20% that Ellis even gets picked up. As to Pipes assertion, center depth should definitely be a priority with the emphasis on size. As for sending Stafford down, they may avoid that if they feel he may be a valuable trade commodity and sending him down could lower hos value. Yes I implied it again, I fully expect a trade to happen sooner rather then later and yes I know, its contrary to Darcy's m.o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm fine with waiving Ellis, I guess ... but as often as the centers get hurt, it could leave them short at some point ... X, I don't see that kind of player in the organization ... lots of young skill but ... there is no grinding center type guy who won't kill you on draws and in your own end ... like Chris Taylor used to be ... I think you drop Mair to the 4th line, and probably bring in a Kennedy or Gerbe or even Mancari to play on the 2nd or 3rd. Hecht - Gaustad and Mair can all play center or wing.....so you aren't replacing Ellis's skill set per se ...just shuffling composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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