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It's a mistake to judge Samson as a player based on where he was drafted. It's not unfair to judge GMTM based on performance of players selected after Samson. Going back to 2014, BUF desperately needed a C, and they had no idea they would land Eichel the following year, or that O'Reilly would become available. For that reason I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved at some point... and if he wasn't so tight with Eichel he may have already been moved. I think GMTM is still waiting to see how this lineup shakes out over the course of the season. It's still not clear where Reinhart fits in the top 6.

I'd still try to make a deal.... Probably will take one of Bailey/Baptise/Fasching a 1st and somebody like Ennis or Girgensons. I'd do it in a heart beat. I wonder what the proposed deal was on draft day, apparently they were close, very close, but it fell through.

Yep, he's a -7. Wait, that doesn't mean anything, it's his D partners fault right?! Or maybe he's playing against really good players, let's cut him some slack!

Disagree, he's 25, still on an upward trajectory. My point is that you can't just have a blanket rule of $100k per point. That's nonsense. There's age, trends, potential, defensive ability, etc.. that go into what you pay a player. Do I give $3mil to a 22 year old winger who scored 15 goals and 15 assists? Maybe I give him $4.5-5 because of his potential to build on that. If he were 32, then no, I probably offer him $1.5-2m... (unless he's Matt Moulson I give him a max deal at age 35).

Wait, so ROR is immune to anything other than 1st line status? Umm, OK.

Why are you looking at career average when he's only 20 years old and still growing and developing? His shooting percentage is 20%, Last season the top scorers in the league were in the high teens. Sure, we can expect his shooting % to regress a bit, but you can't pass off his success as simply puck luck if you've watched him play. He's electric. There's a reason he's on a line with Bergeron and Marchand, it's because he deserves to be there, and he's only played half the season with them anyway. I still take him first overall.

ROR is still young, plenty of upside there, and KO.. yeah, well we had no choice to but to overpay. There won't be the same demand for a Foligno or Gionta the Elder, no need to overpay them.

Foligno and Reinhart together? I'm not sure I'd call that our "first line". Maybe 2nd or 3rd even?

video? I don't remember him ever scoring a goal like that. 90% of Reinhart's goals are deflections or picking up trash around the net, which are nice, but he doesn't have the shot, hands, agility, or speed of a Pastrnak or Draisaitl to beat guys consistently one-on-one. ...and I don't mean to bag on Reinhart, he's not an electric finesse player who gets you out of your seat when he touches the puck... his game is more about playmaking, and puck movement, he's made some very nice passes from behind the net, but we're all hoping there's more to his game and that it starts to show soon.

"puck luck"? I think not. I can't imagine Reinhart pulling this off. Pastrnak is filthy, he can skate, he can dangle, he can snipe, a natural goal scorer. There aren't too many players like him the league. Draisaitly hasn't played with either McDavid or Hall this season and he has 28 points in 33 games, which is almost a point per game pace playing with guys like Maroon and Caggiula.

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Let me put it this way... if there was a redraft of the 2014 draft, who would you take 1 thru 5? With the first pick I'd take Pastrnak, he's blossomed this season, second in the league in goals with 19. Second pick I'd probably take Ekblad, followed by Draisaitl and Ehlers... Bennett, Fabbri, Larkin and Reinhart would be in the discussion for 5th overall.

I agree, those guys are struggling a bit this season. However, they've showed much more thus far in their young careers than Reinhart has and that's somewhat disappointing IMO.

So, $6m for a 60pt forward? seems a bit excessive. I think you pay for upside as well, guys like Gionta are on the downside... Larsson and Foligno are probably at their peak, I don't see how you pay them that much... maybe $1.5-2m tops. You can call up a guy from Roch who will get you 30pts playing on a 3rd line, doesn't mean you need to pay him $3mil.

I'm not willing to demote him just yet, he's still young and developing but has a ways to go. He's a fine young player, but as a #2 overall you want to see more from him, considering the guys that went after him.... Draisaitl, Bennett, Nylander, Larkin.

It's time to let them go. Only then, can the healing begin.

That's bthe kind of money you spend on a third line when you're a cup contender.

Had frost on my lawn this morning.. in southern California!

Very loud boos for Jimmy boy when he stepped on the Nashville ice, followed by a "Vesey sucks!" chant each of his shifts. It was glorious.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict a goal from Foligno, Girgensons, Gionta, Larsson, Moulson, Kulikov, Franson, Deslauriers, Bogosian, or McCabe tonight.

Well put. He's progressing nicely, his offensive skills are evident. Still want to see better decisions with the puck in his own end. Sure all dmen turn the puck over now and then, but that one last night was egregious. His next step is to clean up his own end and become a plus player while maintaining his offensive output. I think he can get there, maybe even this season.

He still needs to get much better defensively. That turnover last night could have cost them dearly.

He has, the points are nice, but still lots of room for growth in his own end. He had the worst turnover I've seen this season last game, luckily Lehner bailed him out. It's those negative plays that need go away before we can mention him in any All-Star conversation.

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