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This is totally reasonable. Maybe I’ve deviated from my point in conversations and what I perceived to be the point of the thread…which is an extension for Casey. That is what I am against at this time. But happy to have him in the lineup next year if he doesn’t need to be used to get a good D on this squad.

If we are going to base every future contract offer based on the comparison of the meteoric rise that is the unicorn of Tage…then I think you’re gonna have a bad time. I did count his last three seasons. He was a 40 pt player for two of the three. I think I’m good here. 🍻

Totally agree with this. My resistance to everything upthread is I would prefer to not sign him to an extension at this time. I think other players in the pipeline can rival this production in time. And if he is a piece that can land a top four D, then sign me up. To me, Casey’s PPG and attributes are more easily replaceable than a top four D…which this team sorely needs. And if Casey doesn’t help acquire defensive help this off-season, then I hope he can repeat 2022-23 production. If he does, then pay the man his money.

I think you should be Casey’s agent lol I guess we won’t meet in the middle on this one. I believe this year was an outlier (especially 17 points in his last 11 games of 2023). You’ve made the case he’s been consistent and I don’t buy your averaging. But that’s alright…I’ll still enjoy your goal memes and you can tolerate my lack of buy in on this.

Ok but why average the three seasons as the last season was an outlier from his previous career to date? He was never more than a 40 pt producer until last season…

You’ll notice my post history includes that very fact I highlighted about 2021. I said that he must look at Tage and say to himself, “that should have been me.” Yes, Buffalo locked up Tage and Cozens early, but each were a different situation and I hope most see that without explanation. But I will pass along that I am not seeing the stats you’re seeing for Casey’s two previous seasons…The year ending 22: 19 pts in 40 games (and a -14!). That isn’t a 50 pt pace. The year ending in 21: 22pts in 41 games. That isn’t a 50 pt pace. And spare me the “he was hurt.” Maybe he was, but he was a 40 pt guy for his age 23 and age 24 seasons (he turns 25 in November). I’m not going to go back to Mitts threads and find all the folks who pooped on the guy and seem to love him now. I’m glad he had a great last 50 games. I see recency bias and a heck of a half a season. If I were the GM and at this point, I’m not investing 5.5MM on this player.

Hopefully a top 4 D on the open market! A lot of people are putting a lot of faith in Casey’s last 50 games like it is his new baseline. I’m not ready to do that.

So I’m on board with your line of thought…but what is the cost of a player like that? The Sabres aren’t near the cap ceiling today, but is it worth it to commit (say 5.5MM for four years) for that role? It seems like an overpay based on his body of work. Casey performed as the fifth best forward in 22-23 and maybe that role is a 5MM salary (and we can assume he can bank 60 pts a year), but I’m not convinced he’s that guy as a baseline for the next 4-5 years. It’s why I think he should be moved to strengthen the D corps. You good with 25MM over the next five years? I’m not. To me, Casey is not the same as Tage/Cozens in terms of investing early for the him long-term. He’s only been the fifth best forward on the team for approx 50 games. I guess I’m in the minority, but I’m moving him before I’m committing to him for the next 4+years. Not everyone is Tage in their ascension. I want to save money at 3C given the pipeline and invest elsewhere.

I think you ask an intelligent question out loud, which is can the current talent in the pipe cover for his attributes? To me, the answer is no, not today. But I think the horses are coming, and I don’t want to invest 5MM+ into 3C right now (acknowledging Casey’s versatility). I think Krebs has an equal ceiling (ducks), and I’ll take the trade value/cap savings of Mitts & bank on one of Krebs/Savoie/Kulich will effectively play the role of 3C soon.

I respect Casey’s growth. I am in the trade him boat. His value is as high as it has ever been (and still an RFA year after next season). I don’t know what the average salary for 3C league-wide, but 5.5MM (a speculated number to sign him for a few years) might not be the best use of funds from a cap management perspective (for a 3C). I could be wrong. But with the depth the Sabres have in the pipeline at the center position…I think he is a prime candidate to be moved to help acquire a top four D.

Well the most recent whistle blower admitted he didn’t have any first-hand knowledge of said alien aircraft. So pass the salt.

I didn’t like your take because the range of discussion is limited to only A or B. So people’s opinions weren’t really telling at all. I disagree with the trade proposal because I am only confident that Helle is better than Levi for the next two seasons…and the Sabres window is larger than that. When options C or D come into play, it makes moving on from Levi for Helle (or anyone) even less appealing.

You have it. Nathan Lieuwen.

I’m going to give you a high degree of difficulty (I hope): Who was the only player to wear jersey number 50 for the Buffalo Sabres? I can give hints if it is needed.

So it’s gotta be Derek Roy, right?

I think the last three to do it are pretty easy. Tage and Skinner from last year. Eichel did it. But the last one…I’m probably going to kick myself if this isn’t right…but I’m going with Vanek.

From the press conference today on the stadium groundbreaking: Terry was pretty emotional…

Well, in the last three years the Leafs won the Covid Canadian division in 2021, then put up 115 & 111 points in the regular season in 2022 & 2023. That’s pretty good, right? Does he not get credit for building those rosters?

Fired six weeks after missing the playoffs…that’s an oddity. I found out Brunette is an original Predators player under Barry Trotz. I guess Trotz wanted to bring in his own guy? Brunette deserves another chance to be an NHL head coach, but I’m still surprised it is here. The Preds made the playoffs in Hynes first three years on the job, and although they missed this year…Nashville played great after the trade deadline. It is hard to criticize Hynes' record.

Found a nondescript taco spot named Peach Blossom just around the corner from the arena. Wow, this stuff is GOOD.

The American Hockey League’s two most storied franchises continue their fourth-round playoff series tonight as the Eastern Conference Finals remain in Rochester for Game 4 at The Blue Cross Arena. After Rochester cruised to a 5-1 victory in the series opener, the Bears responded with back-to-back wins to take a 2-1 lead in the best-of-seven series. Hershey’s win in Game 3 on Saturday was the team’s fourth straight on the road. The Bears, who have won eight of their first 10 matchups in the postseason, are a perfect 4-0 on the road and have outscored the opposition 17-6 in the playoffs. Anchored by second-year goaltender Hunter Shephard, the Bears have held the opposition to two or fewer goals in all but one of their 10 postseason games this spring, the lone execption being the Amerks’ 5-1 win in Game 1. Thursday’s 2-0 loss in Game 2 snapped the team’s seven-game playoff win streak and was the second time this spring the Amerks were shutout in the second game of a playoff series. Zach Metsa scored his first professional goal in Saturday’s Game 3 loss. Over their most recent seven-game win streak, the Amerks outscored the opposition 41-21, including 12-3 in the first period over that span. About 50 tickets remain unsold for tonight’s game. More available here: https://www.amerks.com/news/detail/game-preview-amerks-look-to-even-serires-tonight-in-game-4-against-bears Free radio steam: https://www.audacy.com/thefanrochester AHL TV link ($9 per game, or $30 unlimited games): https://www.watchtheahl.com/

Tyler Myers spitting fire

If Hershey wins by playing tackle football the rest of the series (like game three), the league and the sport have a real problem. This isn’t “built physical/tough for the playoffs.” This is bad hockey. Hershey is a better defensive team than ROC. Hershey has a better goaltender. On paper, the Bears should breeze through the series. But if we are going to accept the crap we saw tonight and justify that as “playoff hockey,” then the problem is either the officiating or the game itself. I am not saying ROC deserved to win tonight, but I am saying that the Bears defense/goaltending don’t need the help of the nonsense being let go by the officials. Also, I’m not the only one who sees it that way (paywall):

There isn’t an emoji option on this board to appropriately reflect the perfection of this statement. But I’ll try: 🔥🔥🔥

Is this speculation? I haven’t heard anything official.