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So far 100% Dahlin and it did seem the obvious answer to me. Cozens was actually the guy who took a step backwards under Granato. The view is optimistically that he wore down as an overplayed rookie not used to it, but it is also possible he preferred the tighter style of Kreuger hockey. We shall see this season,

How is Bjork a player that is always attacking any more than anyone else was under Granato? And what does that mean? Not playing defense at all? He certainly wasn't an "always attacking" player in Beantown.

Empty gesture which means absolutely nothing. They already talked contract end of the season, they tried to sign him then, he decided to test free agency. Protecting him here isn't going to warm his heart and convince him to stay. If you wanted that ben Bishop trade you do that before this protection list, you make the deal and you protect him. Personally I'm not up on Bishop's status. Doesn't he have injury issues? Regardless, a draft picks for a goalie deal should have come before, not after, the expansion lists. We had an open spot. It's a fail.

1971 was the year we drafted Rick Martin so yes, it was. I'm sure that's it 🙂

Well I personally think protecting Ullmark rather than trading for a goalie and protecting him is one more check in the fail column for KA. So far still waiting for some checks in the pass or good column. Pointless. I think Miller gets taken ahead of Borgen but maybe there's a Kyle deal in the works. Certainly hope they don't give up too much of a sweetener for that.

Don't you think we've done enough pre-rewarding with big contracts? What about Dahlin's game has convinced you that he deserves this kind of money and is a definite can't miss? imo if there was ever a candidate for a bridge deal he is it. I wanted to draft him, I will admit that, and he has talent, but so far I am disappointed with what I expected. Fortunately, it's still early, but I'm having doubts.

Ellis to Philly is huge. Didn't give up anything important to them either. Gonna guess they have zero interest in Risto now. If I'm Seattle I take Price. They can afford it and it gives them the same sort of situation Vegas had (has) with Fleury. We might get Shane Wright yet.

and it's unravelling.........

Don't think there's any actual definitive statements, cause that would confirm that there has been actual trade negotiation, but it has been rumoured and talked about by insiders (don't remember which one(s) of the Dreger LeBrun MacKenzie types). I mean i don't even think there's any official statements about trying to trade Eichel at all.

Dahlin hasn't earned anything close to that. Heiskenan showed his value in that long playoff run in the bubble. It's a big contract, but not way out there for where he's at and his value to them.

idk. With an open goalie slot I'd give up that 3rd if his price point was in the range we wanted. We need 2 goalies, not just 1. A 3rd is no big deal. Florida however, might not want this to happen. They might prefer the Kraken take him so they don't lose somebody else rather than getting a pick.

So this isn't a Kurt Cobain thread then?

That is the case. Rangers have stated that Lafreniere would not be part of any Eichel deal. A NY deal would likely be veterans and draft picks. They like their young core, and why wouldn't they? Like LA, they're a team with big potential and a solid group of youngsters. Big markets however so impatience might push them towards an Eichel addition, but again, not at the expense of the youngsters.

Danault would be a good addition and maybe in our case it's worth it but as I understand it he wants a lot, more than what typical low scoring shut down centers usually get. Not sure that's the best plan. If we're overpaying checkers and character guys I'd rather throw some money at Czikis.

I was really surprised to read in the Sullivan piece that Skinner holds the current record for number of NHL games played without making the playoffs (773). I had assumed he'd been in there with Carolina but thinking about it, ya, I guess that was before they got good. Risto (542) Reinhart (454) and even Eichel (375) what a sad state of affairs when you stop to think about it (which I try not to).

So then in essence we're protecting him for someone else and then asking for a good young D man back to replace Borgen.

Girardi seemed to be good for the D. Definitely an upgrade from Smith, but that was a low bar. Still not sure what Ellis does. No shocks here. They didn't change Granato, why would they change his assistants.

Colorado is apparently interested in Kuemper so they might be planning to move on from Grubauer. So maybe that's a goalie we could get.

I don't think those are the pieces Calgary wants to get rid of. There's some talk of them possibly moving Giordano and there's always talk about Gaudreau. If Sutter is in charge of their direction, I see them looking for work ethic players and not "stars". Eichel to Calgary would surprise me that's for sure.

I personally don't believe we should be buyers if on the cusp. I'd still sell even if we were close. You go with the kids. We make it great, we don't we move on. Otherwise I get your point about salary, but he'd be desirable at trade time if I was running a true contender.

Likely true, but I still think his best trade value will be before the playoff deadline.

We've seen snippets of that when he's on his game, like for example how he got under Ovi's skin. He throws his weight around and he can really mess with the opposition, but he needs a lesser role and a solid partner. Borgen is being over rated because of his fresh shiny newness.

Okay why not. Risto will still be here this year. He will in fact re-sign and eventually retire as a lifetime Sabre. Ullmark will be a meh back up for some other team. Power will be our pick. Power will end up a hall of fame player. Eichel will go to Boston for Jake DeBrusk and 4 consecutive 1st round draft choices. We will all hate this. We will trade Jake Debrusk to Edmonton after a year of disappointing results. Reinhart will score 40 goals. For Vancouver. Skinner will be here forever, eventually becoming GM. Tage Thompson will eventually quit hockey and join the circus. We will finish dead last but lose the lottery. KA will get bumped up to some fictitious uber management job and a new GM will be hired after the season. Kim Pegula will say the fans don't know everything we do.

Driedger might be just a back up, but he wouldn't be a bad guy to pick up to fill that slot. We're going to need 2 goalies next year, Ullmark as one of them or not. Lehner listed here, that's kind of funny. Ya, he'd be real happy with that deal 🙂 Holtby might be done, I agree, but that's one I thought of before that might be a part of a Reinhart deal if Vancouver is in the mix as rumoured. They have cap issues and might want to unload him (if they think Seattle would pass on him anyway). Hard to say. Not as a starter imo, but again, as your #2 for a year until UPL maybe. Creativity maybe? 3 way before and after. Trade for Lehner, protect him, after draft deal him . That would give us lots to chat about 🙂 Not filling the spot with somebody though is definitely the height of stupidity as pointed out already.

I'm pretty sure this is just a do it for the team kind of move and it's designed simply to protect an extra body since Seattle won't take that contract (and good for Jeff for doing that) but..................here's where I dream............. It was pointed out to me in an earlier thread that Seattle couldn't focus on grabbing younger cheaper guys since they had to take on some salaries in this draft as they have to spend up to a cap floor. So if they were given some sort of incentive to take a guy like Skinner. A guy who MIGHT get them 20-30 goals for a few years, and sure they overpay him, but then they are part way there to that cap issue already and then they can focus on more young cheaper players to build with.........if they rise quickly they can always buy him out after 4 years or so, but if he fits in ........ it's not an impossible scenario. I can dream.