woods-racer

Is long winded and gives erroneously worded posts.

Come on now! Shrader is a good guy! He thinks I'm a good person...I think... wait that was from the post a lie thread! Yah Shrader BiH!!

Always gets his wad jammed in his barrel. A little side by side funning!

I have had a discussion before about the 3 "types" of word surrounding the Catholic Church. Much of the churches laws of conduct have been changed over time, and unfortunately it was a long time ago we had the discussions but a little of what I remember is. Dogma. The foundation or pillar of the church. Nicene Creed is an example of Dogmatic word of the church. Not to be debated. I look to it as the Declaration of Independence, and the U.S. Constitution. Canon Law has 2 parts. Within Canon law is the Catholic version of the Bill of Rights. Just like with the Bill of Rights to make a change to it is almost impossible. Then there are the rest of the laws. It is a fully functioning legal system, with courts and trials and codes ect. It post dates Roman Law but pre dates any European law. Changes to the laws happen, not like modern governments where it is yearly and often tax code changes. It's in the "rest" of the laws that separations began to form with in the Catholic Church to form the Church of England or Protestant Church. They are laws written by the Church through out the centuries. My understanding, is that these are mans laws based off of the teachings of Jesus (this is how things get touchy). For many centuries Catholic Priests where allowed to get married. Then, boom, Canon Law says take a vow of celibacy. No meat on Fridays during Lent, only fish. 2 examples of "other" laws that are well know and documented that are not the basis (the Bill of Rights) of the Church but are Canon Law and they can be rewritten (I wouldn't bet a penny in my life time). I didn't have time today for this but it has been addicting. This discussion has brought a smile all day because I thought about morality and my believes and not the day to day grind. I also wanted to clarify myself, and I hope I did a good job by including examples of the U.S. laws, of what is undeniable to me (or so should be to all Christians), and why I can understand why much of Christianity sounds like a moral code for society. I also wish to add a disclaimer, I am not a theologian and I consider myself far from one. These are my memories from asking questions after reading something or from a sermon and getting answers from a few very wonderful Priests and a Protestant Minister. Again,Thanks Drunkard.

First off let me say that you are correct. I will not debate you and try to convince you that all of religion is the most moral and high of institutions we can ever come to hope for or have seen. Also let me define my version of the word "church". It is a an entity composed of humans for which it's sole purpose was, or is, to teach the word of it's deity. The human part of the church is what makes up the laws or rules, an ethical code of which to live by. That human part is flawed without a doubt. We can debate some of Catholic teachings in which Catholics believe there are 3 forms of the word. Direct from God, through the teachings of Jesus and his disciples and the rest of Church scripture. Even if you take the stories ( we could spent a year debating the writings of just one Disciple, I don't think this is your intent) of the bible and use them as a moral compass, and not of themselves to be truths, you still have a very good moral barometer for society to live buy. But again there is a lot of the human element in those writings, and as I have said earlier, much of it if is completely out of context with todays meanings and have been miss-used or miss-understood. I guess with some great thought that my best way to express my personal separation of social morality and the morality of God is by a cherry picking example. I'm sorry I have to do it this way but it is the only way I can express this. If I am on vacation in a country that has legalized a very addictive drugs and prostitution, I would not partake in either because of religious moral convictions. I may enjoy a beer or a little vodka while there, very addicting drugs themselves, but a morally acceptable drug by my faith. We can debate the morality of being a drunkard (just funning !, you have been wonderful to talk to) but I'm not going there. If another person goes there absent of my moral convictions with his wife and kids and partakes of those pleasures, has he committed a breach of that countries social morality? He did not break any laws, so should his wife be upset with him based on her moral convictions? Is not somewhere in this a good bit of religious morality of faithfulness that makes a man sleeping with a prostitute not a morally just act ?. Is making something legal such as paying for sex whether or not you are married, making it morally acceptable for society to do? A generalization of the saying is "do unto others as one would do unto you". It is a great moral contract of marriage, but no laws are broken with 2 adults having consenting sex, but a moral contract is broken, I don't believe that moral breach to be broken from a society standpoint. My believe is that moral contract is based largely with my religious believes, and not on those of laws and the morality of society. You have the same moral values (again a generalization please lets not dissect the Roman, mine or drunkards morality), yours are rooted differently but with the same conviction and intent. Mostly, what is clearly apparent is that your morality includes the ability to listen, as I knew I was not going to change your opinion, you knew the same about me, but we both listened. For all those that have been married for a long time, is that not one of the hardest morals to accept? Cheers Drunkard...

Was originally arrested for indecent exposure at a New Kids on the Block concert, but was able to plea bargain to get the charges reduced to mopery, this is how LTS knows what mopery is.

Using the Romans as a comparison. In the time of Jesus, was there political corruption, the killing of animals for sport, large coliseums built to watch violent sports, orgies, drug abuse, stealing, infidelity, laziness, greed? Has much changed? If there has been change, would you not agree that a large part of the laws and society construct where basic principles of the Ten Commandments? That some of todays most moral societies have been largely influenced by a religion can not go unnoticed. The Church of England and the Vatican had tremendous roles in developing laws based on church rules through out the world as most of the European countries throughout the centuries "settled" the 4 corners of the earth. I will use one example as I am not the greatest writer to pass along my simple thoughts. The Catholic Church and divorce. When started women where property, if the head of the house chose to discard the current wife he had the right along with any kids he didn't like. Just toss them out penniless and women had no ability to seek a job, they basically suffered then died or relied upon the goodness of others to remain alive. The Church saw this and with the threat of excommunication for the husband (I believe that to be the way of sending you to hell upon your death) tried to put a stop to it. When the Church realized that not all marriages could be saved the Church started the alimony payment system. You want a different wife, you can have one and even get married in the Church and still go to heaven, but you have to keep paying for the old one. The money collected by the alimony was used to create convents and orphanages for the displaced women and children. This continued for centuries till laws finally started to appear for the good of all women and children in those countries, not just the Catholics. I just believe that left to our own devises as human beings our law and society construct of morality would still be much like those of the Romans if not for the presence of religion. I'm well aware that religion doesn't have the greatest track record of morality also, the inquisitions, stoning, the current hypocrisy of the Catholic Church with gay people, not the highlight of morality. But my believe is, that religion played a major role and driving force to create the moral construct of todays laws. And one last point, was it not also true that for centuries the most learned of people as a whole where those of the church. The few that could read and write often wrote and developed the laws that are the basis for almost all of todays legal systems?

Cody and Glove have a strikingly similar profile, with or without a chicken hat.

Once told a girl "Gee your hair smells terrific!"

If a person won't watch hockey because facial hair on the players makes them less attractive, or look less like the kid next door, the Raiders are completely stupid then and missing out with the whole bad boy image tactic. How about using a positive approach, post playoff beard shaving for charity. Highest bidder gets to "help" shave the beard off their favorite hockey player with all proceeds going to a charity and have the NHL push that.

Sorry JJ, knew you where in Florida and I didn't look at your signature, should have remembered your previous avatar as you took enough abuse for it. It's Neo and Sick that are in the Tampa area.

Well I hope it's on again so I can watch. He seemed to have one of those personalities that you either loved him or hated him, no middle ground. A kind of, no quarter given nor asked, for himself or towards others. Thanks for the heads up, there are these nights filled with a strange game called basketball. I need other programing options. Hope you where able to make a Lighting game. My sister lives outside of Tampa and loves going to games because it has always been a great atmosphere. She seemed to think the arena was filled with "second team " fans, as in like her a die hard Sabres fan, her second team is Tampa.

All good ! I was just heaving fun cause I thought you were! I watched the opening 5 minutes and thought to my self this will be good then fell a sleep at the first commercial. Was it as good as the opening ?

Ink would be the last poster in the world to throw out the yo momma post.

Nice try Wookie, I'm not buying your fake Chicago fandom. I still think Chicago was the better team, missing wide open nets in a SCF game is a series killer.

Tampa is now 8 wins in 11 road games this playoff season.

I Give Callahan a knock, he gets an assist on the possible game winning goal. Never mind.

Is it just me, or is Callahan not quite the player Tampa was hoping for? I thought he would have more of an impact.

I heard him say the name but I only half pay attention to the announcers, I just thought he was talking about a player like Van Riemsdyke. Then more blah, blah blah.

I'm not impartial, I would really like to see Tampa win. But I believe an injured goalie is the best Tampa player tonight. The only reason they are in this game in my opinion.

I wish I was witty, this sounds too tee'd up to just let slide. ----------------------- Chicago starts the third with a 2 on 2, and shows how to make it a 2 on 1 without dumping and chasing and getting the defense to turn and chase the puck carrier. Fun, Fun, Fun hockey. Well that was bound to happen.

Unfortunately I have ruffled feathers. Not my intentions. I should have seen it coming, but I was grilling diner and not able fully give my attentions to the thread. It's all about sensibility as far as the vehicle I drive daily is concerned. I use a pick up for work and use it to haul a bike. The pick up is the most sensible, as it gets the most use out of any vehicle I could buy. A race bike, the least sensible, but the second greatest enjoyment next to family. If I know longer need a pickup truck because I'm not able to work and enjoy working, that means I am no longer able to race. I see my self in a mini van. I am tall and not skinny, a van is by far the easiest for me to get in and out of and comfortable to drive. Today's SUVs with their bucket seats and center consoles are very uncomfortable to me. A car, especially anything sporty, useless and the most uncomfortable. But I hope I still have the thrill of a spirited ride left in me and can enjoy the Blue Ridge Highway, or the Black Hills of South Dakota. So I will celebrate the next stage of life with a large American motorcycle, not the most sensible vehicle on the road, but one I hope I will enjoy and not kill myself on. I fine with the next stage, hope I can stave it off for another decade. Sorry I seem to pass judgment that a vehicle meant your man hood, not my intentions. I only meant that my knees, shoulders, and back can no longer take my daily and weekend enjoyment and I will adjust.

It means I'm old and can't ride anything with hp.

You don't hate them, you hate that you've become so.... sensible, if you buy one? My rational is the day a mini van is parked in my spot in the garage, is the day I get a very large and expensive American made motorcycle. Gotta have the Ying and the Yang in life.

All grilled. Salmon fillet on a cedar plank with a light spicy rub and a thin slice of lemon. Stuffed eggplant. Stuffing consist of a medley of peppers, onions, and mushrooms mixed in with panko breadcrumbs then a hit of cooking spray on top for a nice brown and crisp. Asparagus, a few wrapped in prosciutto, just cause I'm a good boy. It is very good, amazingly healthy and would gladly trade for a ribeye and tators.