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You've nailed it. Thought process is why people speculate. It's sure as hell why I speculate. I love thinking. Period. I try not constrain myself in what I think, I only constrain myself in how I act (most of the time). For example, I have often thought what would happen if while walking randomly down the street I just punched someone in the face. I've never done this mind you because my respect towards others has always won out over the pure speculation of events that would occur should I initiate that action. Likewise, I find fascination in the machinations of people. The act itself could be absolutely despicable but I am curious as to why it happened. The human brain goes a long way to interfere with the balance that nature has so carefully crafted. The actions of people are fascinating and knowing that there is a chance of some kind of strange sub-plot out there is what draws people in. Most of the time it's straightforward. If you think about rape cases, most of them never even enter our minds. There could have been someone raped in San Antonio last night and we'd not give it a second thought. Now, this case involves a well known hockey player and happens to have occurred in a city that most of us all have a relationship with (even if it is just being a Sabres fan). So we take on this added interest, moreover, we want to see who and what in the city are involved. it's like some kind of sick status update "Hey Look, we're capable of superstar athlete rape scenarios as well." Sure it's a totally twisted status update, but the fact is that Buffalo now belongs to that fraternity. So, I threw out there in my last post that I could speculate that someone could scheme to blackmail Patrick Kane basically by plotting to sleep with him and then claiming rape. I'm in no way saying the person involved in this case did such a thing. I also look at order of operations and the logical balance between them. If Patrick Kane respected other human beings (I can't say he ONLY disrespects women) then he would not be in this situation. It starts first with respecting the person you were in a relationship with. He could have thought about wanting to have sex with other women. He may have even speculated what it would be like. However, had his respect for others been stronger he would not have acted on it. Even then, people slip up and cheat on the people they are in a relationship with. I would speculate that it's easier to cheat when the sex is consensual. Which brings me to the next point, he not only didn't respect his existing girlfriend and their relationship, but should he actually be guilty of forcing sex on this other woman he would not only clearly disrespected her but in addition have had so little respect for his GF that he was willing to rape another woman to have sex. If I sit and speculate about that I find myself wanting to see Patrick Kane removed from the daily lexicon of society. It's so abhorrently disgusting that I try not to speculate about how a brain could work that way. I mean, clearly it can and I don't delude myself into thinking people are incapable of the actions.. I just wish they weren't. I did have a couple of other thoughts to share. Even though we are now reasonably certain (or 100% certain) that this does not involve a person incapable of consent. I had a thought surrounding that. There is a discussion on how we would not hold that person accountable for their actions because they were under 17. There were some analogies made and I believe they were all "not as serious" as rape. However, if a 16 year old murders someone the court system is willing to consider trying them as an adult. That is to say, assume in a random statutory rape case the underage person was willfully engaging in sex (despite the law not recognizing that). The law says, that person cannot be treated as an adult and the adult is at fault. Even if that 16 year old managed to create fake identification that was good enough to fool a staff trained at spotting fake identification (or are presumably actually checking) and enter an establishment and be in a setting that should not contain someone under the age of consent. But, if that same person was strategic in their planning and carried out a murder the law allows for them to now be considered an adult. In this entire situation please understand I am not saying that this person agreed to sex (regardless of the legal ability to do so). Whereas a 16 year old who doesn't agree (regardless of their legal ability to do that as well) but was forced to have sex goes so far beyond just the statutory aspect of things. (pure food for thought, speculation, and enlightened discussion). Also, does EASports pull Kane from the upcoming NHL16 title? You'd think they've started the RTM processes, the container printing, etc. Glad I'm not the product manager on that game right now.

Sorry. AJ's Beer Warehouse is where I would recommend going. I am sure Premier Gourmet in Buffalo has it. It's not really rare. I had a collaboration brew they did with Otter Creek this past weekend. It was kind of like smoked IPL. Joint Compound or something or other? It was incredible.

Eeesh. Gone for a weekend and this thread is filled with some good information and a lot of personal attacks. I guess it's okay to make personal attacks.. in a thread that discusses a form of personal attack right? A few quick things... A scenario will present itself and that scenario will come with a set of potential outcomes. Some will be more probable than the others. Not everyone will be able to think of the same possible outcomes nor will they likely think of the same probably outcomes. To presume that everyone operates from the same form of decision making and information processing capabilities is ignorant and irresponsible. Proof? If we all did then we'd all think like Patrick Kane.. (do you think like Patrick Kane?) There needs to be the ability to allow for possibilities in what could have transpired without it being a referendum on the person in question. Anecdotal stories have merit because they prove that an outcome is possible, even if it is not probable. It's not inconceivable to me that in the realm of human behavior that a woman could decide that she wants to try and lure Patrick Kane into having sex with her with the intention of then filing a rape charge with the hopes of the charge resulting in some kind of million dollar settlement. If I were listing my top X of possible scenarios this probably doesn't make it into the list, but the news is rife with discussions on the despicable things humans will do. That said, even if that were to happen, once, anywhere, at anytime, that does not mean that this particular woman, in this particular scenario should be accused, specifically, of having done that. There should be the ability for a discussion that allows the scenario to exist without also simultaneously casting judgment on the specific people involved. It's a fine line, there's no doubt. It's almost like making a Law & Order episode if you will. Based on actual events but twisted to sound more dramatic and twisted. Here's the simple bottom line that I am hoping we all adhere to. Non-consensual sex is wrong. Period. There are no mitigating factors. However, we don't know that there was non-consensual sex. We know that someone has made an accusation that sex occurred and they did not consent to it. That is what we know about this particular case right? Hopefully my points come across and are not totally disjointed. It's not easy to spend over an hour reading this thread, at work (during lunch and then some I guess), while constantly waivering back and forth between I should say this or I should not say that or I should comment or I should not. It's an important discussion, but with regards to the exact scenario this thread originally covered all we have is patience to learn what has or has not happened. The philosophical discussion pieces are great mental exercises but being tied to this thread add a level of volatility that hampers the discussion.

Your ability to obscure your living area will likewise result in the location of beers remaining obscure. You said you are not in Buffalo or Rochester. So you could be all over the place. You want me to suggest a bottle shop in Auburn if you live in Chautauqua? How about one in Newfane if you live in Franklinville? So... that's the best I got. Find your favorite craft beer store. If they don't have Jack's Abby tell them they should get some or buy it when you go to Rochester or Buffalo.

The key to remember here on the word rape. Rape in and of itself implies forced sex without consent. Statutory Rape doesn't require forced sex because that would just be rape. What it says is that the person was unable to give consent because they are under 17. I don't know what happens if a person who is under 17 ends up in a bar that does not allow minors (I have no idea if that bar does) and ends up having sex with someone over 21. It seems reasonable to me that a person in the bar should be of consenting age. Even more so, if he "proofed" her and she produces an ID that says she is of consenting age then I think it's even harder to judge what is going on there. Here's what I do know... if you are in a relationship with someone you should not end up in a situation like this with someone else unless you make some seriously questionable choices. In our litigious society, its better to abstain than to partake unless you can obtain consent forms in triplicate and on file in the county courthouse before you engage in sex.

Well.. there are a lot of rural areas. So if you give me a clue I can be more specific..... be more specific, man! :w00t:

Jack's Abby is in most beer stores in Rochester. I assume also in Buffalo.

Could not agree more. Here's the thing. If this involves an underage person and he would be aware that this person was underage then any appearance of this person in his house probably won't look good. All I know is I am glad I am just a fan of hockey right now and not the guy who is agreeing to pay him $84 million.

One thing to keep in mind. Hoss referenced surveillance cameras in homes. So, if you run with that just a bit. Let's assume PK has surveillance footage of him and her in the house. That's not going to look good. Video sways minds. Ask Ray Rice.

I think we should be able to agree at least on one takeaway here. We always argue that young players aren't attracted to Buffalo because it lacks a nightlife offering like other big cities. Well, here's Kane, who could go anywhere to be involved in a mess like this finding his way in Buffalo. See.. Buffalo does have everything the big city offers. Frankly, I find it moronic that athletes put themselves in these situations. It doesn't even matter if it ends up being true or not true. If he was at least in a bar, hanging around with someone who appears to be underage, then he's a fool. The rest of it just starts adding more layers and icing to the cake. Of course it's hard not to act like a god when everyone treats you like one.

And now we are talking about Drew Stafford again... let's just open up the old thread. :w00t:

That's really what it is all about. Regardless of mine or anyone else's opinion on the beer. I find Pliny's body to be too thin for my personal tastes. It's a quality beer. That said, the Zymurgy people are not necessarily your most discerning people. A lot of them engage in brewer love. They love Vinny and everything Russian River stands for. They also love Sam, they love Ed Bell, especially when he used to tell NYS to suck it because their labeling laws were stupid. The problem with so many brewers is that they see themselves as one of the big guys and immediately go fanboying all over their beers. Jack's Abby. Find them, love them. The only beer I've had of theirs that I did not think was perfectly executed was the collaboration they did with Evil Twin. They only make lagers. They are awesome. Smoke & Dagger is incredible. Jabbybrau will take you back in a good way. Honestly, love their beers.

Don't mistake my comments as saying they are not good. They are not worth the hype. People hold Pliny and Heady Topper to a different standard based on the scarcity of obtaining them. There are plenty of IPAs out there that can easily stand up to both of them. The definition of over-hyped. You know what's funny is that people (not saying anyone here) used (and some still do) to rip on Lagunitas for their use of hop extract oil in Hop Stoopid. They said it was cheating. However, along comes Heady Topper and boom.. the message changes. My favorite part of Heady Topper is the insistence of drinking it from the can. Anyway, I think what happens is the more you taste the more you become aware of the shortcomings in other products. If your first taste of an IPA was Dundee IPA and then you went to ST IPA you'd likely be dancing in the streets. You give it a few years and try a bunch of other IPAs and you begin to notice things that don't quite hold up anymore in ST IPA. ST IPA might have changed a bit, but so too have your tastes, and your experience with the style.

I like Pliny. However, I am not going to tell you that it is every bit as good as the hype it gets. I would say the same about Heady Topper. And I agree, most IPAs are truly bad. You also have to account for the variations.. is it West Coast or East Coast, etc. Now there's also the IPAs focused on New Zealand hops as well. ST IPA is a decent IPA. But I'll drink Union Jack from Firestone Walker all day long before I touch ST. I'm not hating on people who like it. One item that has messed with a lot of brewers is the contracts for hops and whether or not they secure them or have to alter recipes. There are a lot of IPAs out there that have altered recipes due to hop shortages, contracts, etc. People don't always notice it.

Yea.. it's owned by a member of the Wegman's family. White House liquor was in Brighton and was highly regarded before the Wegman's bought it and moved it. The same happened with Century Liquor in Pittsford. Century Liquor was in Greece and Wegman's moved it. Danny Wegman cannot own a liquor store due to state law. So, they have those stores owned by other members of the family and they just happen to all agree to use Shopper's Club and every other inventory system so they can obtain their operating efficiencies. There are some articles floating around about the legitimacy of it all but that was their play when the state refused to allow wine sales in the grocery stores. Frankly, I'm happy for it. I love Century. Great prices and knowledgeable staff. I don't think the Palmeri's (Marketview) would hold the same opinion but hey.. they do okay too.

I run some blind tastings with some beer industry people (distributors, reps, master brewers, etc.). The only thing people know are the style they are tasting, they have no idea what beers have been selected. Pumking ranked at the very bottom by everyone. It's an absolutely hideous beer. To a person everyone poured the remaining sample out rather than finish it. The second lowest? Warlock. ST IPA is mediocre. Unearthly used to be something special but there are plenty of DIPAs produced now that beat the snot out of it. The 2X Milk Stout was one of the worst beers I ever tasted. Just tasted Sonnet... didn't fair well in the blind tasting either for a saison. If you like the ST beers that's cool.. but I just can't get there. Other breweries that I think are at the top of the game across the board: Firestone Walker, Allagash, and The Bruery. I might also throw Three Floyd's in there as well. I've not had everything I could from Kuhnhenn's (MI) but everything I have had has been incredible. I think there are a few others out there that probably come close that might be smaller.

Swill.. SN regularly used as reference beer for style guidelines and you call it swill. There's personal taste for you. However, generally, not regarded as swill. Same with my kids on the root beer. They love always hitting up the local favorite. Was in Cooperstown all last week for baseball (will be there again in a week for Belgium Comes to Cooperstown). Stopped at Council Rock Brewpub. Their beer was fantastic up and down the lineup. I only dinged their Flanders Brown because it wasn't sour enough for me. It was good, but I like SOUR. Southern Tier doesn't get me excited... nothing about their beer lineup says "OH BOY" to me. It's fairly mediocre beer.

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I'm one of the 3? I'd probably agree with you. That said.. since I am fast approaching my 19th wedding anniversary and I am only 42 I will say that it was definitely not a regrettable decision at age 21 to get engaged and married at 23. Didn't have a kid until 31.. But I did make some interesting decisions prior to meeting my wife.

The Vegas jersey technology is already set. It'll be a modified version of: http://www.t-shirttv.com/shop-2/ If they don't use that I will be quite upset.

Convenience is always a key factor. Better beer pricing is only important if you don't waste that savings in gas and time. :) When is it supposed to open? I've never been to the one in Syracuse as I rarely have a reason to go to Syracuse. I am in Buffalo far more often.

You should shop at AJ's Beer Warehouse.. on Clay Road in Henrietta. Huge cold beer selection, better service, and better prices that Beers of the World. I think you are thinking of World of Beer. That's a bar with a lot of beer.. one in Syracuse too. Beers of the World is a beer store in Rochester. It has history but in my opinion has been surpassed by many other bottle shops in the area. It's part of Angotti Beverage which is also in Batavia. That said... I've heard nice things about World of Beer.

It's tough. I saw the news this morning and it hit me pretty good. In years past it would have hit me harder but I've grown away from football quite a bit and a lot of it started when Van retired. It had nothing to do with him retiring mind you, but being 17-21 during a run of 4 straight Super Bowl losses really changed my outlook on sports and football especially. That said, his calls are my primary memories. I worked in a sporting goods store (Laux) through high school into college. I routinely worked Sundays and as such we always had the radio tuned to the game. As would be expected around those great years there were few to no customers traveling the malls during a Bills game. There was no traffic, people were home. So I had plenty of time to dust the shelves, rearrange inventory and listen to Van Miller paint the picture of what was happening on the field. Thought the great Houston game was not on television the crowds were still quite light. I suspect people still held out hope and were listening at home. As half-time hit and it was apparent the Bills were going to lose the foot traffic in the mall picked up volume. In the days of no cell phones word didn't travel as fast but I remember the air in the store as the Bills began scoring. It seemed that someone was always running out into the mall and yelling they scored. Every time that happened more and more people seemed to appear. Being situated right inside the mall entrance we also were a first stop for many shoppers. Perhaps they were just checking in to see how the game was going. By the end of the game the store was loaded with people. The atmosphere was unbelievable and the radio was cranked. All we had were each other and Van Miller to call the game. That's what I'll remember. There are few left these days. The regional broadcaster is being phased out as the national contracts are available to be streamed across any screen at any time. There are a lot of great play by play announcers who do those national games but none of them are tuned to deliver a message to a particular geographic area. They are stripped of their fandom and their emotions are engineered to deliver excitement regardless of the teams playing. Announcers like Van Miller had an entire fan base flowing through them. He lived in our community and channeled that energy into his calls. That's nothing any national voice could ever capture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgfGKhYKu8

I would also scratch Buffalo Trace from the list purely on the "underrated" tag. People I know speak rather highly of it. I need to branch out more. :) Evan Williams is on my list. I should actually write these down or at least pull up this thread when I am at a liquor store.