thewookie1

I’m very confused by this trade from LA’s POV

I’m actually moving down

I have reservations with Hart however My offer would be UPL, 13 and a 2nd for 22 and Hart At most

So so far Philly gets Petersen, Grans, Walker LAKs 1st and 2nd CbJ gets Provorov at 30% retention What is LA getting outside of cap space?

Looks that way lol

Severson wouldn’t be a good pickup due to his contract cost plus unnecessary skill set. He’s an offensively skilled defenseman with some issues in his own zone. We already have that in spades.

That’s overkill for DeMelo who is also a 1 year contract and 30 years old. I’d offer Jokiharju and maybe a 4th for him.

My max is 5 years and 7.5m

It's a very arbitrary definition because its an arbitrary idea. The Trade Deadline is rental day, well players traded in January are also called rentals usually. Is it simply any player acquired within the season? Analysts call guys acquired at the deadline with 1 year extra, A bit more than a rental Odds to a degree. A player with 1 year can get hurt and never play for you. A player with 2 years is far less likely to get hurt 2 straight seasons and never play for you.

A true rental is any UFA-to be player acquired for 1 or fewer seasons. If after trading for said player, the next July 1st he can walk, that's a rental. 2 year contracts are considered short term players but since they get 2 seasons with the team, they aren't rentals Close, its not purely based on Hallebuyck but also the lack of experience we have.

I just think even with Hallebuyck, the likelihood of a young team like ours getting beyond the 2nd round is small. 4 teams make the Conference Finals after all; it’s not exactly an easy feat to reach. Without Hallebuyck, the likelihood drops further and the most likely guess Id have is 1st round exit. if we could get Hallebuyck to agree to a 5x7.5mil extension then go get him

If we were in a playoff spot and thus I knew the pick was likely 16+ and our team was running and gunning with the best of them. SURE. The risk of throwing away assets is far smaller once you get near the deadline since you know your likeliest outcomes. Plus further success actually lessens the traded draft asset’s value.

Yup, that seems rather accurate. I’m looking for long term success versus immediate success. I don’t see enough of an advantage from Hellebuyck taking us to the 2nd round then departing in bettering our long term push to win the Cup. Mainly because I don’t want Levi to have to come in the next season and be expected to equal or top Hellebuyck

My issue is with 13 ++ Also, Levi getting hurt is a setback but he doesn’t just magically leave after next season. We still have full control over him. It is only asset burning if the acquired piece plays only a few games or is terrible. It’s akin to drafting a full bust like Novotny. You swung the bat and missed entirely. That is why my interest is only lukewarm and I’d rather trade more or less conditional pick in 24. I don’t want all the risk whereas WPG gets potentially valuable assets for a singular year of a goalie they may have no plan to re-sign. I’ll always be overtly cautious; I’m not a gambler by any stretch and I’ll almost always take the least risk possible when going forward. I don’t see our prospect pool as easily dipped into without issue. We are in need defensive prospects and any pool is only as deep as their availability timeline. Trading 13, UPL and Kisakov for Hellebuyck would be exciting sure, but it’s incredibly temporary since we have him for one season. Adding anything more to the deal is plain bonkers, if NJ wants to offer their top prospect and their next 1st; let them. I’ll be happy as long as they continue to make improvements, get a vet goalie for a couple years to help Levi; you don’t need to target the biggest fish to achieve that goal.

Played well but his size and lack of chemistry was a killer for him. Game 2 & 3 were his games. Game 2 he looked green, lots of energy but little to show for it and ran into Hershey’s defensive tactics. Game 3 he looked a bit better as he was paired with Kulich and Weisbach. Set up one the Amerks with a point blank chance as well as he showed his dynamic offensive vision. Problem was that he usually was just not strong enough to fight off Hershey checkers who would grab him to prevent his natural shiftiness and then smother him. In a strange way he may of looked better in an NHL game just due to the less literal clutching and grabbing involved.

I feel many of the offers are far too short sighted, that’s what I mean by rentals. You don’t trade high end assets for a singular season use player unless you are making a Cup run or feel confident in signing the player. There is just far too much risk for the potential reward we desire. For example we haven’t had a single goalie stay healthy throughout the season in at least 6 years now. If Hellebuyck gets seriously hurt, then those assets literally are burned up into nothingness and additional assets would need to be used to fill the gaping goaltending hole. If he has a down year because he starting with a completely different team, we lose. Quite literally the only way the assets aren’t wasted or set to haunt us well into the future is if he comes to Buffalo, plays great, and takes us into a solid playoff appearance. Barring a reasonable extension, we have a very small target we have to hit in order to not look like fools around the league. Supposedly TSN we’re the ones who mentioned Hellebuyck is looking for Bob like money.

You can't win a rental without winning the Cup I'm unwilling to give Hellebuyck 8x10mil and trade 2/3 1sts in value to get him I'd rather just sign a UFA goalie and hope Levi explodes onto the scene than trade 13OA, UPL, Savoie/Kulich for Hellebuyck who will expect to either become a UFA or an absurd extension that doesn't work from a cap or year situation.

MLSE has a history of meddling and thus it creates fears of further meddling

Regardless the rumors of interest does give me the thought that UPL will be traded. Essentially Adams won't want to put a rock wall in front of Levi; he'll desire a way to make Levi the 1B if he plays well enough. Any high end goalie or at minimum a consistent vet would put that at risk. He can waive Comrie without much fear, Levi underperforming is waiver exempt whereas UPL no longer is. Effectively I see practically no chance UPL is here if the Sabres acquire any other goalie since they won't want to just lose UPL on waivers for free or force a worthy Levi of staying in Rochester.

Someone threaten Dubas’s family with a nacho cheese bomb or something to steer clear of Buffalo’s staff.

In the end I’ve watched us get burned far too many times to trust trading so much for a goalie for a singular season. It also partially stems from how good this particular draft is and that I don’t want to just throw away a top 15 pick for a rental. He could be the greatest rental of all time but barring a Cup win we almost suredly lose the trade over time. I guess the other option would be to try and get another 1st in a trade up and offer that 20’s pick or play with the Jets to get pick 18 back.

I’d offer 13, UPL, and Kisakov for Saros because he has 2 years left

Based on your suspicions however he wouldn't be worth the trade to begin with however. In my opinion while @Thorny is correct we have the prospect depth to survive a trade; that doesn't particularly make me willing to use that depth on a 1 year hail Mary who based on your readings would suffer significant regression due to Buffalo's style versus Winnipeg's. Additionally is the issue of a new contract. I don't want a Bob contract whereas we have a goalie who is overpaid by nearly 5mil a year and has been mediocre at best besides this year's playoff run. Plus he'll be looking for year we really have no need to give out. Even slow rolling Levi's starting role for 3 seasons would equate to a mere 2 year extension. Anything longer and we are more or less pushing Levi out of Buffalo. I would rather just sign a stop gap than pay a king's ransom to either have a rental for a season or a long term increasingly headache inducing contract. Goalies are just far too fickle of a resource to devote such large amounts of assets to potentially get a single year of above average goaltending.

Game 6, here we go!

Prow, I would kicked you had they scored on that atrocious giveaway