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Bernard Docker makes Spence less relevant but I'd kick the tires.

Meaningless number: +11 Meaningful number: 0-11

The Sabres side of the McNabb trade tree ended (DesLauriers, Fasching) as such: D Zach Redmond played 3 games for Buffalo, 3 seasons in total for Rochester, and left for the DEL. D Brandon Hickey played parts of 2 seasons in Rochester and is still in the AHL today with Henderson. RW Mike Sislo never played for Rochester and retired in 2020. This is how McNabb ends, this is how McNabb ends, this is how McNabb ends. Not with a Redmond, nor with a Hickey. Fun fact: With the two 2nd round picks Los Angeles ALSO received, they selected Alex Lintuniemi in 2014 and Eric Cernak in 2015. Funner fact: The next pick taken after Lintuniemi was the Sabres with pick #1 of the third round: Jonas Johanson. The 4th pick of that 2014 3rd round: Brandon Hickey! But before you feel bad, don't worry about the picks the Sabres took in the 2014 draft. If they had had an additional 2nd it wouldn't have mattered because this was the draft of Lemieux, Cornel, and Karabacek. And in 2015, they took Brendan Guhle. Just lots of hits in the second those seasons.

We sure as hell lost the trade that sent Brayden McNabb away. That was just stupid

Just like Edmonton didn’t trade for Savoie for just 2024-25, Buffalo didn’t do that for McLeod either. I sure do love one year trade assessments. I’m not making any statement about winners and losers when I say that the O’Reilly trade sure as hell looks a lot different today than it did in 2019.

I just didn’t see one sided officiating last night. Although, admittedly, I wasn’t watching all that closely. I did see plenty of plays by the panthers that I thought should have been penalties and weren’t.

Interesting listening to Rick Dhaliwal (Vancouver radio guy with good agent contacts) this morning. He said the Canucks were desperately trying to add Norris at the deadline to the point of where they had trades lined up to bring in players to flip to the Sens to seal the deal. Their bid failed because “they didn’t have a Dylan Cozens to offer” We’ve always questioned why the Sabres threw in a 2nd in the deal. This may be part of the answer

Paging Liger!😁

Who should I blame instead? Joel Giambra?

JBot don't like him 🙂

Well good for you. Enjoy missing the playoffs forever. 3 years for proper development. But otherwise yes.

This is the crux of it. Big grandiose schemes and plans or just simply trying to win now. As an example the rumor now is Bennett will stay in Florida for an 8x8 deal. You can hear the negative deep analysts already proclaiming "that contract won't age well", "they will regret that at the end" "too much too long term for an aging player" blah blah blah but Florida don't give a F. They will do what they have to do to keep the team cup competitive for the next 3-4 years and if after that they have some trail off and bloated contracts SFW? They'll have cups, and playoff revenue and they can worry about a tear down and rebuild after those 4 years. It's an attitude for competitiveness and you either have it or you don't, and the Sabres don't.

I think you’re misplacing blame for the team’s failures.

Stop talking about E-Rod. Get over it . 🙂

You know (and don't take this personal, it's just a general feeling I have), the bottom line is I don't really give a flying F if KA won a trade or got more for one guy than another one and we can argue those things but really who cares? He didn't and can't seem to construct a winning roster despite having multiple years on the job, multiple picks and multiple opportunities. Who cares if one guy wins an award or one guy is better than a previous guy, Adams is in year 6 now and the team is still garbage. That's all that matters to me.

The main reason that the Sabres don’t win is because we have the worst owner in the league who hired a sycophantic GM who is the worst GM in the league. Compound incompetence presiding over a franchise stuck in the muck of mediocrity of their own creation.

2 years. I'm glad Krebs will block him from the NHL. He could be a 2nd line center someday with the right dev path.

We'll trade an old MSG hot dog, no bun, this subway card we found with no money on, and a 7th round pick in 2057 for Jack Eichel. Asking for anything else is unreasonable. - every f-ing nyr fan that summer and half the media

No he doesn't. He's a defensive liability. The 2024/25 Sabres wouldn't be better with Mittelstadt. Personally I think all the hang wringing over Mittelstadt is nonsense. He played 1 good stretch here and was otherwise worse than McLeod. We're in agreement.

I was applying the "Byram wasn't a good trade" logic I read above to the McLeod trade. I've always maintained the Mittelstadt trade needed to be judged in the context of how they backfilled his spot. And I think I'd do Mitts and Savoie for Byram and McLeod 10 times out of 10, both on a value level and on a roster building level. The Sabres dropped in the standings because Quinn, Power, Cozens proved woefully incapable of the roles they were given, UPL backslid precipitously and the coaching change had the opposite effect of what they intended. if people want to pretend Byram's +11 at nearly 23 minutes a night represents a screen door on submarine that helped sink the season, they're welcome to that opinion. But its wrong.

Both teams didn't lose the Mitts Byram trade. That's illogical on its face.

Instead of Kakko being the key piece in an eichel trade, they got borgen and some late picks. Laff is also now getting 7+ aav and playing like cozens.

Yes? So 18ish games in his entire career unrelated to his bum shoulder and the initial failed surgery? Tage Thompson has missed 25 games in his career since surgery fixed the shoulder injury that caused him to miss a year. As I tried to say above, for me any elevated Norris injury risk is tied entirely to his shoulder and whether it is repaired. That's a real risk where you are trusting your doctors, but outside of that he's no different than any other player. If you want to make the argument entirely about games missed period, that's valid, but it's not the way i look at it. I think the 'why' is relevant.

Agreed. Drafting him made it easier to move savoie (in addition to kulich just lapping him during development. Norris being so injury prone also gives me pause on moving probably the top non-NHL center. He was also the youngest player in the AHL last year, so he likely projects to be a year away. As it stands today though, the only center keeping him in the AHL is krebs.

I just can't see the Rangers being able to do this. They would need to take the following steps. 1) give up this years number 12 draft pick so they can get next years first round draft pick back. 2) Convince Utah to take the 3rd round pick they have this year instead of the second round pick they have rights to next year. 3) Give us an unprotected 1st round pick plus a second and a third next year. (do they think they are going to be better next year after dealing away all those players) ? 4) Find enough money to pay JJ around 9 million a year to prevent us from matching it. As a counter measure we could deal with Utah to steal the rangers pick and prevent them from even trying to do this. This could be fun!