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I never bought that KA over-values his prospects and won’t make deals as a result, but that’s been a theme with both media and fans alike for a while. Glad you cited Eichel for a couple reasons because imo, Eichel couldn’t be over-valued and also because the Eichel situation perfectly illustrates how teams and agents manipulate media to try and ramp up pressure on other organizations. Friedman, especially, was a big mouthpiece for the misinformation being peddled at the time.

I wonder if he could pull off another deal like the Savoie - McLeod deal with a team in cap trouble.

The pressure of a skate blade on ice makes it wet. That's science🧪.

But there is an unfounded belief that Adams has walked away from good trades because he "overvalues" his players. It's something you can't prove unless you were on the phone.

The young man is worthy of helping and my phone is open. The point I’m making is Adams was in a similar position to this young man just 4 and 5 years ago. Qualified or not at the time he took the GM position, he was being asked to do perform a very difficult job with little experience to draw from and only a few others to help. Climbing fast can be painful.

Lol...you got me to actually it up. The answer....Yes! Ice is always wet.

Nobody is saying Adams should make bad moves.

What is the difference between overvaluing your players in a trade and not accepting a deal that you think is inadequate? Does anyone recall how upset fans were that Adams didn't trade Jack Eichel right away? I'm sure other GMs saw that situation as an opportunity to pry away an elite player for practically nothing. Whether you think Tuch, Krebs and picks for Eichel was adequate value, that deal was not done in haste.

😂 That's a stretch. So make bad moves because?

Sure it's ice. It's just a phase it's going through. 😉

I accept that, but I'd also say a version of Chara is exactly what this team currently needs.

Then it’s not ice anymore. Is ice wet?

Oh please, stop. He did not make the team any better than it was. He did not address the major weaknesses and he bet solely on Ruff elevating them and his signings stepping up. Ruff didn't, Cozens didn't, Byram underwhelmed. Nothing wrong with the McLeod trade but ultimately with Cozens sucking that did not fill the hole he created trading away Mittlestadt. Malentstyn isn't anything and thus no better than Girgensens, probably worse. Lafferty and Aube Kubul were money wasted and didn't upgrade Okposo. The roster was basically the same.

I'd argue McCabe and Zadorov reached their potential. They're both top-4 guys, and can be especially effective with the correct partner. In a best-case scenario, Zadorov could be a top pair guy, but the offense was never touted as amazing, so top-4 is solid. Girgensons has been a 4th liner for over a dozen years in the NHL. He was miscast by the Sabres because they drafted him when they found themselves with no center spine, but for a mid-1st he has panned out. Grigorenko was a bust. He was also rushed, and maybe could have been more with a longer development curve and a bunch of time in Rochester. They need him to be much more and he was not that. Ristolainen is a disappointment. Another rushed prospect because he was blocked by the likes of Benoit and Meszaros. With proper coaching and a slower timeline, maybe he could have been the top-pair guy. He looked like Ivan Drago, but a boxer also needs to be a technician when they're facing well-schooled boxes of similar athletic prowess. He's always been overpaid since his second contract because he was gifted PP1 time... but he's not a bust: he's still in the league all these years later.

Again, perhaps he wasn't throwing shade at the fans for once. You can give him the benefit of the doubt if you really want to. But in this particular instance, IMHO, past performance should be considered indicative of present results.

Getting the fans to go bonkers in order to ratchet up some pressure on the Sabres is precisely the idea GMs (and agents for that matter) have in mind when it comes to the sort of media manipulation @PromoTheRobotalludes to in that particular post. Makes sense given how bonkers we fans currently are. Especially when it comes to KA over-valuing prospects and being afraid to pull the trigger on deals.

The question with Carbonneau is translatability of his game. He has a tendency to stop scanning and go full McDavid where he plans to deke and skates through everyone. That does not work at the NHL level very often. He'll need to pick his spots better and use his passing and off puck game more. If he can, all those soft skills will be that much more useful.

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So how does this "rumor" square with trading away JJP and Byram rumors? Are we going to trade them for prospects and then trade those prospects for other players? Odds of Adams completing such a deal are about zero.

Perhaps for once he wasn't throwing shade at the fans. But, his overriding shtick is that the fans are unworthy and contribute to the troubles of this franchise and if they would simply be more positive the results would improve regardless of what happens at SHKIIIP. Based on his past writings, have a hard time not taking "because you know the fanbase will go bonkers, and maybe put pressure on the Sabres" as another shot at the fans.

When it's that many that never met their potential , you might want to start looking at the organizations ability to develop their prospects

Talking about guys Murray traded for who can remind me why they didn't try to sign Kane? Exactly the type of player they are still desperate for 8 years (or so) later

While @PromoTheRobothas certainly called out fans in the past, the particular post that @Pimlachresponded didn’t blame fans in the least. He was merely pointing out how teams can manipulate various media at times.

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