Here we go again…..Kevyn

[Archie Lee]

Losing Dahlin indefinitely is obviously a huge blow and would be to any team. But, this is, presumably, why Adams chose to spend $14.5 million per year on Power and Byram. It is time for them to step up. 

Most fans, even those excited about Ruff’s return, had some reservations about the hiring process and lack of an  actual coaching search. The reasons for hiring the veteran Ruff were “structure and accountability”. Well, here we go. A smartly built NHL team that plays with structure and accountability, would manage in this situation. While I think there is already more than enough evidence to support Adams and Ruff have failed, perhaps it is a test of this magnitude that has been the missing spark behind the failure to ignite. 

This road trip might be the last meaningful referendum of the Adams era. I don’t expect him to be fired if the team does poorly. But if we come out of this road trip with a winning % in the .300 range, and playing to a pace of 70-75 points, then it is over. 

Put another way: in year 6, having not made the playoffs in the first 5, there can be no excuses. 

[7+6=13]

I think Adams should be fired.  I like this current team, from what very little we've seen of them being somewhat healthy.  We haven't seen this particular team, fully healthy (starters), at all.  I believe there's reason, that I could really like this team.  Complete?  Certainly not, but there's a good bit of hope.

Fans are fickle, emotional, ill informed, smart, irrational, witty, dumb, astute, loyal, customers, disloyal, compassionate, hateful, harmless, and generous.

Fandom is a blessing and a problem.  

A few of my favorite posters agree and disagree sometimes.  They've even done that in this thread.  I know I've aggravated several of you, I'll call ya, mostly negative posters.  I don't really care, because you aggravate me too.  I say that in the least aggressive tone possible.

I challenge or needle the nauseous repetitive negativity.  I also feel the need to call out the hypocrisy.  You negative posters can dish it, but you can't take it.  

[SwampD]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

I think Adams should be fired.  I like this current team, from what very little we've seen of them being somewhat healthy.  We haven't seen this particular team, fully healthy (starters), at all.  I believe there's reason, that I could really like this team.  Complete?  Certainly not, but there's a good bit of hope.

Fans are fickle, emotional, ill informed, smart, irrational, witty, dumb, astute, loyal, customers, disloyal, compassionate, hateful, harmless, and generous.

Fandom is a blessing and a problem.  

A few of my favorite posters agree and disagree sometimes.  They've even done that in this thread.  I know I've aggravated several of you, I'll call ya, mostly negative posters.  I don't really care, because you aggravate me too.  I say that in the least aggressive tone possible.

I challenge or needle the nauseous repetitive negativity.  I also feel the need to call out the hypocrisy.  You negative posters can dish it, but you can't take it.  

If you like the team so much, why do you want Adams to be fired?

Edited 3 hours ago by SwampD

[PASabreFan]

23 minutes ago, SwampD said:

If you like the team so much, why do you want Adams to be fired?

Fickle and emotional maybe.

[PromoTheRobot]

14 hours ago, Believer said:

If You want to pick on anybody, pick on the indifferent owner and the incompetent GM.

This kills me. We change the story with Terry depending on the narrative we are pushing that day. Today he's indifferent, yesterday he's making all the decisions and telling his yes-man GM what to do.

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Optics? Honestly I have no idea. We can surmise he might be a potential Kevyn replacement but who really knows from the outside. 

But if Terry is the de facto GM, as has been floated here, what is Jarmo doing and why promote him? Also how can Terry be cheap about spending to the cap while paying a dozen front office people?

[PromoTheRobot]

7 hours ago, JohnC said:

The weather has little to do with some of our prime players wanting out. Players don’t want to be stuck in a dysfunctional franchise and every year watching other teams playing in the playoffs. The life span of a pro athlete is relatively short and they don’t want it to waste away.

As far as your claim that many Sabre fans are rooting for the opposition, it is a silly and nonsensical response considering the wretched record during the Pegula era. What you perceive as disloyalty is the frustration associated with this inept franchise. You are blaming the victim when your criticism should be directed at the perpetrator.

I am merely calling out the conflicting narratives that some fans post here. Someone actually said they don't want the Sabres to make the playoffs because Adams would get the credit and won't get fired. How am I supposed to read that?

Edited 2 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, Pimlach said:

“EVERYONE HERE” does not do this nonsense.  Some people, sometimes will say some things that support your claim.   

You have an unusual desire to act as a voice of reason, a mediator between the team and the fans.  Unfortunately, your excuses for this team (including Pegula and Adams) often come off as a way to satisfy your own need to argue and poke others.   

I’m pretty sure most people here think that Terry is a nice guy that wants to do better.  But the past 15 year performance of this team cannot be defended, and palm trees, taxes, and weather have nothing to do with it.   

Terry makes bad decisions because he is over his head and he can’t or won’t find the right help.  

I don't disagree with your take, though I don't think I make excuses. More like you said, trying to be the voice of reason, which may come off like excuses.

[PromoTheRobot]

13 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

Bills only thrive because they hit on Josh Allen

Lol, yeah. Who the f*** is James Cook? People actually believe this.

[PerreaultForever]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But if Terry is the de facto GM, as has been floated here, what is Jarmo doing and why promote him? Also how can Terry be cheap about spending to the cap while paying a dozen front office people?

How much is he paying them? 

It's not like Terry does any of the day to day stuff but I think he is the final say on any contracts and any trades too. Adams does all the work but Terry sets the direction and says who is untouchable or who should go. Those big picture formative things. 

It was reported in the summer that Buffalo was hard to deal with and one can easily surmise that all their moves are slow and indecisive looking because they have to run them by the big guy. They've shown the behind the scenes stuff and they spin it as Terry caring but he's in the room or on the phone. He's in the draft room. He's there for the trade deadline. He's constantly involved. This is clear and obvious. 

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

How much is he paying them? 

It's not like Terry does any of the day to day stuff but I think he is the final say on any contracts and any trades too. Adams does all the work but Terry sets the direction and says who is untouchable or who should go. Those big picture formative things. 

It was reported in the summer that Buffalo was hard to deal with and one can easily surmise that all their moves are slow and indecisive looking because they have to run them by the big guy. They've shown the behind the scenes stuff and they spin it as Terry caring but he's in the room or on the phone. He's in the draft room. He's there for the trade deadline. He's constantly involved. This is clear and obvious. 

No idea what he pays anyone. But is a guy like Jarmo Kekäläinen going to join a team for chump change? My point was you have this obsession with $5MM in unspent cap as proof of cheapness while Terry pays a roomful of GMs and assistants, all while also being an "indifferent absentee owner." 🤷‍♂️

 

Edited 1 hour ago by PromoTheRobot

[Mango]

On 11/7/2025 at 12:33 PM, Stads said:

I don't understand why the Bills get every possible advantage from this owner and the Sabres get left behind. Beane does not seem like a yes man like Adams. Why does Terry accept that from him but doesn't want someone with more power for the Sabres? I love the Bills but actually enjoyed the Sabres run in the mid 2000s much more than the current Bills' run

There is no benefit vs not benefit. Terry is a bad owner who hit it out of th park with McBeane by accident.

I have approximately zero faith that Terry is capable of cycling multiple regimes with success. He's a bum.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Mango said:

There is no benefit vs not benefit. Terry is a bad owner who hit it out of th park with McBeane by accident.

I have approximately zero faith that Terry is capable of cycling multiple regimes with success. He's a bum.

Meanwhile there are Bills fans who want Terry to clean house because no Super Bowls. You really want him to pick another regime? 🤣

[PerreaultForever]

11 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Was it hitting on Allen or was the Bills GM just good at his job? Many complain about various positional shortcomings on the Bills roster, wr room depth, defensive zone coverages that have blown key games, but there is no mistaking the Bills are a perennial playoff team. And ya, Allen has everything to do with that. We got hosed on the McDavid sweepstakes, I will always wonder what could have been.

The Sabres just do not have the culture to succeed. The Bills do.

You know when you look back at it Murray structured the concept around where McDavid would be. He added the pieces that on paper should have worked. A young star goalie, a hard nosed D man, a power forward sniper, a complete 2 way center for the second line etc. all the pieces you want around a star playmaker in theoretical abstract terms. That formula on paper would get most GMs to say yes, that's exactly how you build. It should have worked with Eichel as well. He's no McDavid, but he is a star player any team would covet. Lacked the leadership skills of McDavid and so O'Reilly should have been captain but that's just another of many mistakes.

Trouble is Murray got a bratty problem child as the power forward, a psycho goalie, a broken D man addicted to pain killers, created a locker room divide and couldn't build a proper defense with the war chest he had. Just bad management and a bad coaching choice to top it off. So honestly, I think McDavid here would have played out just like Eichel. Even without a neck injury, he'd be elsewhere by now. 

[Crusader1969]

Can anyone fill me in where the Shanahan rumours are coming from? 

anyone legit speaking about it or just the usual twitter BS ? 

[PerreaultForever]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

No idea what he pays anyone. But is a guy like Jarmo Kekäläinen going to join a team for chump change? My point was you have this obsession with $5MM in unspent cap as proof of cheapness while Terry pays a roomful of GMs and assistants, all while also being an "indifferent absentee owner." 🤷‍♂️

 

You have to remember Jarmo was unemployed. Maybe promises were made. Maybe he just wanted back in the NHL. If Kevyn gets fired and he gets the GM job we will know he was brought in as the insurance policy. Will he accept Terry as his meddling overlord? idk, I guess maybe, since he took the job he took. 

Lou Lamorello visited and left remember. Shanahan makes a point of saying he'd want autonomy. When do you hear a guy announce publicly he'd want autonomy? I never hear it on other team hires. You say it cause you think it might be a problem. 

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Can anyone fill me in where the Shanahan rumours are coming from? 

anyone legit speaking about it or just the usual twitter BS ? 

There are Shanahan rumors?

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

You have to remember Jarmo was unemployed. Maybe promises were made. Maybe he just wanted back in the NHL. If Kevyn gets fired and he gets the GM job we will know he was brought in as the insurance policy. Will he accept Terry as his meddling overlord? idk, I guess maybe, since he took the job he took. 

Lou Lamorello visited and left remember. Shanahan makes a point of saying he'd want autonomy. When do you hear a guy announce publicly he'd want autonomy? I never hear it on other team hires. You say it cause you think it might be a problem. 

https://sabrenoise.com/nhl-insider-says-brendan-shanahan-would-consider-buffalo-sabres-job-01k9a8x8fbh7

https://sabrenoise.com/is-this-hall-of-fame-gm-giving-the-sabres-a-second-chance-01jvaqkqvq6b

Are these the stories you are quoting? I'm reading a lot of conjecture, not much actual fact. @Crusader1969

Rule of thumb: Any headline that ends in a question mark usually isn't a news a story.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by PromoTheRobot

[SabreFinn]

5 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

You have to remember Jarmo was unemployed. Maybe promises were made. Maybe he just wanted back in the NHL. If Kevyn gets fired and he gets the GM job we will know he was brought in as the insurance policy. Will he accept Terry as his meddling overlord? idk, I guess maybe, since he took the job he took. 

Lou Lamorello visited and left remember. Shanahan makes a point of saying he'd want autonomy. When do you hear a guy announce publicly he'd want autonomy? I never hear it on other team hires. You say it cause you think it might be a problem. 

Jarmo wanted back, he wants a second chance badly. My guess is he wasn't that expensive either. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, SabreFinn said:

Jarmo wanted back, he wants a second chance badly. My guess is he wasn't that expensive either. 

What's "inexpensive" for an NHL GM? And why would a "cheap" owner pay it when he has a GM?

[Believer]

38 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This kills me. We change the story with Terry depending on the narrative we are pushing that day. Today he's indifferent, yesterday he's making all the decisions and telling his yes-man GM what to do.

If Pegula was anything more than passively invested in the Sabres, he would have canned Adams a couple years ago.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Believer said:

If Pegula was anything more than passively invested in the Sabres, he would have canned Adams a couple years ago.

And yet he seems to be in the room whenever decisions are being made. 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

And yet he seems to be in the room whenever decisions are being made. 

He's like Suuuuuuuu-pppeeeeerrrrrrr Chicken!!!!!!!!!!!  He's everywhere, he's everywhere!!

[SabreFinn]

29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

What's "inexpensive" for an NHL GM? And why would a "cheap" owner pay it when he has a GM?

No idea, but more than a regular guy in construction business.

Even the owner is losing his trust in Adams,  but then again Adams is so good at licking the owners hairy ass.

[PromoTheRobot]

28 minutes ago, Taro T said:

He's like Suuuuuuuu-pppeeeeerrrrrrr Chicken!!!!!!!!!!!  He's everywhere, he's everywhere!!

That's Chickenman.