Rasmus Dahlin’s Fiancée Carolina had a Cardiac Arrest while on vacation in France

[Big Guava]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Why won't she be able to lead a normal or nearly normal (wtf we're defining "normal" as) life after this?  Presumably she received a healthy heart and she is still in her 20s which is when people are at their physical peaks (unless of course they're professional tennis players, in which case you seem to reach your peak later or female gymnasts who's peaks seem to hit in their late teens 😉 ). 

But it absolutely is a tremendously scary story.  Am glad that she seems to be pulling through and am very glad they had people around that were able to keep her alive when she was at her frailest.

Because most transplant patients have a far lower life expectancy than a normal person and complications can arise at any time, aka, rejecting the organ.

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, Big Guava said:

Because most transplant patients have a far lower life expectancy than a normal person and complications can arise at any time, aka, rejecting the organ.

Though her life expectancy may be less than another woman with similar demographics to her minus the heart condition doesn't mean she can't lead a "normal" life while she's here.

And wouldn't rejection of the heart happen reasonably quickly or not at all provided she remains on immunosuppressants?  Don't believe there are any heart recipients in this kid's immediate circle; but do know several kidney recipients who, other than not playing contact sports, have pretty much "normal" lives.

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Though her life expectancy may be less than another woman with similar demographics to her minus the heart condition doesn't mean she can't lead a "normal" life while she's here.

And wouldn't rejection of the heart happen reasonably quickly or not at all provided she remains on immunosuppressants?  Don't believe there are any heart recipients in this kid's immediate circle; but do know several kidney recipients who, other than not playing contact sports, have pretty much "normal" lives.

She's young and might want children. That's a heart strain issue right there. 

[Weave]

20 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Though her life expectancy may be less than another woman with similar demographics to her minus the heart condition doesn't mean she can't lead a "normal" life while she's here.

And wouldn't rejection of the heart happen reasonably quickly or not at all provided she remains on immunosuppressants?  Don't believe there are any heart recipients in this kid's immediate circle; but do know several kidney recipients who, other than not playing contact sports, have pretty much "normal" lives.

I’ve already mentioned why she may not be able to live a normal life.  The immunosuppressants may not even allow her to clean her own vegetables.

And rejection may be highest risk in year 1, but the risk never goes away.  20-30 year lifespans are not average.

 

[Taro T]

24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

She's young and might want children. That's a heart strain issue right there. 

She might.  She also might not.  

If she does, there are alternatives available.  Adoption and surrogacy just among 2.

Never said she'd necessarily be able to lead what she'd envisioned as her "ideal" life.  But expect when all is said and done that she'll be able to lead a fairly "normal" life.

[PASabreFan]

Woody can opine on the odds of surviving CPR for that long. Then she was transferred to a hospital. Maybe they were in some remote location?

Terrible but (reasonably) good news all at once.

I bet this hit the Pegulas hard.

[Brawndo]

33 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

She's young and might want children. That's a heart strain issue right there. 

Their best bet maybe IVF carried by a surrogate if they choose to have children 

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Very tragic and upsetting. I hope Dahlin is able to recover spiritually, mentally, and emotionally from this, as well as his betrothed. These are the kind of events which can awaken a person to a more complex, distinguished perception of what it means to exist - sometimes it allows them to find a higher level in their art (hockey in this case), sometimes the person sheds what becomes seen as unimportant relative to their existential state. Rasmus is too young for the latter to be nothing but yet another cruel twist of fate so I pray that his experience is the former.

[Taro T]

15 minutes ago, Weave said:

I’ve already mentioned why she may not be able to live a normal life.  The immunosuppressants may not even allow her to clean her own vegetables.

And rejection may be highest risk in year 1, but the risk never goes away.  20-30 year lifespans are not average.

 

Sorry, had missed your reply earlier.  (Was not intentionally ignoring what you'd said.)  It's possible.  It's also possible she'll be able to do so.  Guess it's a good thing her fiance is rich so she won't have to wash her own vegetables if that is an issue for her.

But the quote that spurred my initial post was one that said essentially that she couldn't lead a normal life (whatever that means) and that it would necessarily hang heavy on Rasmus' mental state (apologies to the OP if those are mischaracterizations of his intent).  Personally don't believe that anybody leads a "normal" life; but they can and likely will still lead a very rich and fulfilling life.  Who knows, perhaps they end even closer and understand better than many of the rest of us just how precious life is because of how tremendously close she came to losing hers.

No doubt it'll be difficult, but they'll have access to the best medical teams on 2 continents and they know, or should, that all of the 10s of Sabre fans that still remain are all pulling for her and sending prayers and well wishes.  With his will and what she must have, her body refusing to fail for what was reported as "hours of CPB), expect her to have what we'd consider a "normal" or perhaps even extraorinary life when all is said and done; even if it turns out to not be quite as long as the average.  (And personally hope she lives far into old age.)

Personally expect that they'll find the positives in this tragedy and still lead that "normal" life.  Life ends up what you make of it.  And really am not looking to be creating strife in this thread.  Apologies for any brought on.

[Big Guava]

14 hours ago, Taro T said:

Though her life expectancy may be less than another woman with similar demographics to her minus the heart condition doesn't mean she can't lead a "normal" life while she's here.

And wouldn't rejection of the heart happen reasonably quickly or not at all provided she remains on immunosuppressants?  Don't believe there are any heart recipients in this kid's immediate circle; but do know several kidney recipients who, other than not playing contact sports, have pretty much "normal" lives.

Average is 12-14 years although younger, relatively healthy people can go 20-30+ years. But in general, life expectancy is likely expected to be 20+ years lower than otherwise would be...unless modern medicine advances enough over that time to mitigate and/or nullify that which is entirely possible.

Not necessarily. That is obviously an immediate concern but it can happen at any time really and there are other potential chronic issues related to that always need to be on the lookout for.

Also, the immunosuppressives she will be on while needed for the transplant also increase risk for numerous other diseases and issues of other major organs like kidneys, liver, diabetes and routine infections which could become chronic and hard to get rid of.

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, Big Guava said:

Average is 12-14 years although younger, relatively healthy people can go 20-30+ years. But in general, life expectancy is likely expected to be 20+ years lower than otherwise would be...unless modern medicine advances enough over that time to mitigate and/or nullify that which is entirely possible.

Not necessarily. That is obviously an immediate concern but it can happen at any time really and there are other potential chronic issues related to that always need to be on the lookout for.

Also, the immunosuppressives she will be on while needed for the transplant also increase risk for numerous other diseases and issues of other major organs like kidneys, liver, diabetes and routine infections which could become chronic and hard to get rid of.

Truly not meaning to be flippant, but none of that says she can't live a "normal" life while she's here.  We have no reason to believe she suffered brain trauma from her cardiac events, unlike one of the Sabres owners who will most likely never lead a "normal" life again

[Weave]

27 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Truly not meaning to be flippant, but none of that says she can't live a "normal" life while she's here.  We have no reason to believe she suffered brain trauma from her cardiac events, unlike one of the Sabres owners who will most likely never lead a "normal" life again

It depends on your definition of normal, I guess.  BILs life is certainly not in my definition of normal.

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, Weave said:

It depends on your definition of normal, I guess.  BILs life is certainly not in my definition of normal.

He's what, 6 months removed from the operation?  And he's what, in his 50's or 60's?   Has he been told by his doctors that he shouldn't expect improvement from where he's at?  Truly hope things get better for him and will keep him in our prayers.  Glad he was able to get additional time courtesy of the selfless gift some other unfortunate soul gave him.

Apples and kumquats to follow, but ...  Know people that had hip replacements that it took them nearly a year to get back to "normal" but they are afterwords.  Also know people that were pretty much back to full activity from that within a month.  And realize that is a far less traumatic operation than what she underwent.  Never said there wouldn't be a significant recovery time for Carolina, nor that she would necessarily ever be back to exactly where she was prior to her initial cardiac event.  But, would personally be quite surprised if she isn't able to get back to a point where she'd be viewed as having a "normal" life (again, whatever the heck we are even defining normal as).

But personally would be very surprised if Dahlin ends up suffering "long lasting effects on his mental state" due to this because his fiancee can't live a "normal" life.  Will it take a toll on him in the ST?  Would be shocked if it doesn't.

[PASabreFan]

Instant expert analysis. Every time. Every topic. Impressive. Uncanny.

[Weave]

28 minutes ago, Taro T said:

He's what, 6 months removed from the operation?  And he's what, in his 50's or 60's?   Has he been told by his doctors that he shouldn't expect improvement from where he's at?  Truly hope things get better for him and will keep him in our prayers.  Glad he was able to get additional time courtesy of the selfless gift some other unfortunate soul gave him.

Apples and kumquats to follow, but ...  Know people that had hip replacements that it took them nearly a year to get back to "normal" but they are afterwords.  Also know people that were pretty much back to full activity from that within a month.  And realize that is a far less traumatic operation than what she underwent.  Never said there wouldn't be a significant recovery time for Carolina, nor that she would necessarily ever be back to exactly where she was prior to her initial cardiac event.  But, would personally be quite surprised if she isn't able to get back to a point where she'd be viewed as having a "normal" life (again, whatever the heck we are even defining normal as).

But personally would be very surprised if Dahlin ends up suffering "long lasting effects on his mental state" due to this because his fiancee can't live a "normal" life.  Will it take a toll on him in the ST?  Would be shocked if it doesn't.

Yeah, you got this.  My bad.

[Taro T]

6 minutes ago, Weave said:

Yeah, you got this.  My bad.

Fine.  Apologies for entering this thread.

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