We need to go after Marner HARD!

[apuszczalowski]

2 minutes ago, Weave said:

Condescending much?

I can man-splain too. A good part of a GMs job is to be a recruiter.  If KA isn’t actively recruiting the best upgrades to this roster because you all think the idea of Marner landing here is delusional, KA deserves to be on the same sidelines you are sitting on.

If KA has to be a recruiter, then I can see why people have a defeatist attitude.

" Well we can offer you a fair contract that will allow you to play hockey in Buffalo. But I have to tell you we might not be an attractive place to play since there's no palm trees". I just picture him as Eyesore from Winnie the Pooh sitting their talking to potential FAs

[Crusader1969]

Isn't Marner to Vegas basically a done deal?  The only reason he would have a conversation with The Sabres is so that he can leverage them to sign elsewhere 

hopefully there will be some crazy spending tomorrow on a weak UFA crop and some teams will get themselves in a position where it's difficult to sign their RFA's.  That's where Buffalo needs to come in with an offer sheet 

[apuszczalowski]

Just now, Crusader1969 said:

Isn't Marner to Vegas basically a done deal?  The only reason he would have a conversation with The Sabres is so that he can leverage them to sign elsewhere 

hopefully there will be some crazy spending tomorrow on a weak UFA crop and some teams will get themselves in a position where it's difficult to sign their RFA's.  That's where Buffalo needs to come in with an offer sheet 

More likely the Sabres are the ones doing some crazy spending of FAs to compensate of the lack of playoffs and sign a bunch of mediocre players to big deals so their PR team can go into overdrive trying to convince everyone they struck Gold. KA would probably stay away from signing RFAs because it would cost them precious picks and would risk someone potentially doing it to one of his precious prospects....

[Crusader1969]

Just now, apuszczalowski said:

More likely the Sabres are the ones doing some crazy spending of FAs to compensate of the lack of playoffs and sign a bunch of mediocre players to big deals so their PR team can go into overdrive trying to convince everyone they struck Gold. KA would probably stay away from signing RFAs because it would cost them precious picks and would risk someone potentially doing it to one of his precious prospects....

Sabres and crazy spending?  You've been following along during the Pegula era , right? 
 

as for RFA's.  The Sabres would need to target this 

"First- and Third-Round Picks:

If the AAV is between $4,680,077 and $7,020,113, the compensation is a first- and third-round pick."   
as they don't own their 2nd round pick next year 

[GASabresIUFAN]

If Adams can’t convince JJP on his vision for the team how on G-ds green Earth could he convince Marner?

Edited 2 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[CTJoe]

9 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Sabres and crazy spending?  You've been following along during the Pegula era , right? 
 

as for RFA's.  The Sabres would need to target this 

"First- and Third-Round Picks:

If the AAV is between $4,680,077 and $7,020,113, the compensation is a first- and third-round pick."   
as they don't own their 2nd round pick next year 

Theoretically they could trade with Ottawa to get back their 2nd round pick, but they're not that sophisticated 

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I agree, he should be going after all the top FAs available, it's not like this roster is good enough anywhere that adding a player of his caliber is going to make them worse.

I don't see him signing here though if it's between Buffalo and some Cup contending teams, but people seem to be forgetting that he is also from the Toronto area so playing in Buffalo is still close to home for him without the pressure of playing in Toronto.

As @PromoTheRobot keeps pointing out, Marner not only is from TO but also has a brand new baby.  With the cap going up significantly, and with his baby so young with family nearby should he stay relatively near the shores of Lake Ontario, taking a 2 year overpay deal with a team that he can live 20 minutes away from the rink and only be an hour or so from home MIGHT have some appeal to him.

Especially if he holds some bitterness over being the local guy blamed for the playoff failures of his favorite team when the Swedish guy and the Yank from the place that doesn't even have a team anymore are seemingly getting free passes.  Wouldn't he like to play against TO 4x per year?

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I agree, he should be going after all the top FAs available, it's not like this roster is good enough anywhere that adding a player of his caliber is going to make them worse.

I don't see him signing here though if it's between Buffalo and some Cup contending teams, but people seem to be forgetting that he is also from the Toronto area so playing in Buffalo is still close to home for him without the pressure of playing in Toronto.

As @PromoTheRobot keeps pointing out, Marner not only is from TO but also has a brand new baby.  With the cap going up significantly, and with his baby so young with family nearby should he stay relatively near the shores of Lake Ontario, taking a 2 year overpay deal with a team that he can live 20 minutes away from the rink and only be an hour or so from home MIGHT have some appeal to him.

Especially if he holds some bitterness over being the local guy blamed for the playoff failures of his favorite team when the Swedish guy and the Yank from the place that doesn't even have a team anymore are seemingly getting free passes.  Wouldn't he like to play against TO 4x per year?

Sure the odds of it happening are slim.  What were the odds prelottery that the Sabres would pick 9th?

[Rasmus_]

39 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I’d prefer to let Terry do it and make the playoffs 

Not my money

Absolutely. No brainer.

Based on his target trade board.  The guy is buying out of the clearance rack at Goodwill Sir.

[JohnC]

39 minutes ago, Weave said:

Condescending much?

I can man-splain too. A good part of a GMs job is to be a recruiter.  If KA isn’t actively recruiting the best upgrades to this roster because you all think the idea of Marner landing here is delusional, KA deserves to be on the same sidelines you are sitting on.

You don’t think that our GM is aware of the contract range that the player will be seeking? Do you not have a basic understanding of the financial limitations the owner has placed on the GM? If you don’t believe that then what has been going on for the past number of years? If you believe that there is more than 1%chance of this player coming here when he has options then your world of reality is not the same as mine. 

[Thorny]

47 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

If Adams can’t convince JJP in his vision for the team how on G-ds green Earth could he convince Marner?

I’ve long felt what will save the sabres is a specific type of ego. It’s literally the anti Kevyn Adams - who’s defining trait may be that he refused to ever claim the Drought

we need an Ego, player, coach, executive, who wants to step in and fix it simply because they want the kudos of being the one to do it 

a real competitor. A man or woman who really wants a claim to fame 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

If Adams can’t convince JJP in his vision for the team how on G-ds green Earth could he convince Marner?

Because Peterka and Marner are not the same people. What are each player's motivations? 

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Because Peterka and Marner are not the same people. What are each player's motivations? 

Marner wants to get paid and wants to play for a winner.  Both of these things eliminate the Sabres.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

You don’t think that our GM is aware of the contract range that the player will be seeking? Do you not have a basic understanding of the financial limitations the owner has placed on the GM? If you don’t believe that then what has been going on for the past number of years? If you believe that there is more than 1%chance of this player coming here when he has options then your world of reality is not the same as mine. 

Just to confirm the point I was making, is it your belief that the GM should not attempt to recruit Mitch Marner?

[CTJoe]

5 minutes ago, Weave said:

Just to confirm the point I was making, is it your belief that the GM should not attempt to recruit Mitch Marner?

Josh Allen should try and recruit Mitch Marner and I'm only half joking

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

If Adams can’t convince JJP in his vision for the team how on G-ds green Earth could he convince Marner?

I think Marner's desire to be on pedestal without the pressures that come with it precludes him going 

a) to a small stage

b) a place where he will have to be the guy who turns things around

Dude seems to be a frontrunner and will go to the place that fits his personality. Vegas is perfect.

***

On a different note, have we seen anything that indicates the bold was the reason for JJ's heel turn, or is this just an assumption based on the Eichel/Reinhart experience?

I've not seen any statements from Peterka or his camp.

Remember Eichel's first three years the Sabres finished 81, 78 and 62 points. Neither he, nor Sam asked out, both re-signed, Jack for term and Sam wanted term.

Peterka's teams went 91, 84 and 79.  His "suffering" has been nowhere near ours.

[CTJoe]

19 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think Marner's desire to be on pedestal without the pressures that come with it precludes him going 

a) to a small stage

b) a place where he will have to be the guy who turns things around

Dude seems to be a frontrunner and will go to the place that fits his personality. Vegas is perfect.

***

On a different note, have we seen anything that indicates the bold was the reason for JJ's heel turn, or is this just an assumption based on the Eichel/Reinhart experience?

I've not seen any statements from Peterka or his camp.

Remember Eichel's first three years the Sabres finished 81, 78 and 62 points. Neither he, nor Sam asked out, both re-signed, Jack for term and Sam wanted term.

Peterka's teams went 91, 84 and 79.  His "suffering" has been nowhere near ours.

JJ likes is beer and big markets so he wanted to go to Utah........oh  wait.  My guess is a lot was demanded upon him by Ruff and he pouted over it. Funny thing is he's going to a coach who's tougher than rough and just shipped out a guy wouldn't work hard enough

Edited 1 hour ago by CTJoe

[JohnC]

31 minutes ago, Weave said:

Just to confirm the point I was making, is it your belief that the GM should not attempt to recruit Mitch Marner?

The GM talks to a lot of people. I'm sure there were some casual inquiries. I'm also sure that the GM has an idea if Marner has an interest coming here and what his contract parameters would be. How substantive and serious would they be? Not much. If the player's agent was called and the agent said not very interested, do you think our GM would have much more follow-up? At that point, our GM wouldn't waste any more time in the pursuit. 

I'm comfortable in saying that the GM is already aware of what the Sabres chances are in getting this particular player: miniscule to nil. 

[Weave]

7 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The GM talks to a lot of people. I'm sure there were some casual inquiries. I'm also sure that the GM has an idea if Marner has an interest coming here and what his contract parameters would be. How substantive and serious would they be? Not much. If the player's agent was called and the agent said not very interested, do you think our GM would have much more follow-up? At that point, our GM wouldn't waste any more time in the pursuit. 

I'm comfortable in saying that the GM is already aware of what the Sabres chances are in getting this particular player: miniscule to nil. 

Good non answer.

[Taro T]

Isn't convincing a guy like Marner to come to a backwater oasis supposed to be the primary skill setting Kekalainen apart from other potential mentors for Adams?

Jarmo, git 'er done.

[...]

Josh Allen is Marner's GOAT. Josh Allen plays for a team in Buffalo. Marner may enjoy being in close proximity to his GOAT and having the chance to befriend him.

Marner could be a family-man's family-man and appreciate the lifestyle that would come with being in Buffalo, still famous amongst the athletes for being a destination for guys with families. Toronto is ~ 1 hr away. Florida is ~3 hrs away by plane.

Our low cost of living somewhat addresses the palm trees argument and Adams, et al, are nitwits for not recognizing that. Our slow, friendly culture, can be quite meaningful to a person who is sick and tired of being in the limelight 24/7.

You people need to stop drinking so heavily and shake off the pessimism.  

I'm not predicting Marner is going to come here, but the arguments against him coming here aren't necessarily as strong as some like to think they are by my reckoning. 

Edited 1 hour ago by ...
I can type. I swear.

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, Weave said:

Good non answer.

It's not a non-answer. You are refusing to accept the reality of the situation. The basic point is that the GM knows before official contacts are even allowed what the odds are of getting this particular player. You want to argue theoretically that it could be this or that. Of course, theoretically it could be anything. What I'm saying is because of the situation the player is in and what the situation of his franchise is in our GM is not fool enough to waste much time and effort in the pursuit of this mirage player. If you don't want to accept my position on this issue, that's fine. 

[Weave]

35 minutes ago, JohnC said:

It's not a non-answer. You are refusing to accept the reality of the situation. The basic point is that the GM knows before official contacts are even allowed what the odds are of getting this particular player. You want to argue theoretically that it could be this or that. Of course, theoretically it could be anything. What I'm saying is because of the situation the player is in and what the situation of his franchise is in our GM is not fool enough to waste much time and effort in the pursuit of this mirage player. If you don't want to accept my position on this issue, that's fine. 

I accept your position on this.  I wouldn’t accept a GM with the same position.

You haven’t spent much time around a sales organization, have you? In sales-speak Mitch Marner is a ***** whale.  This opportunity is an organization changing opportunity.  Can set an organizations path for a decade.  Or more. Change culture.  Change outside perceptions.  Opportunity’s like Marner the Whale are the reason the phrase “don’t take no for an answer “ exists.

You prioritize opportunities like Marner because they are true game changing opportunities.  You develop an entire sales tactic around whales like this.  You hire senior advisors and coaches that are the most competitive person you have ever met for opportunities like this.  And if you you look in the mirror and think “she is too pretty, and gets too much attention to dance with me”, then you sick your senior advisor and the most competitive man you have ever met on the job.

As our lord and savior Wayne Gretzky once said, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

I know you agree that KA is not good enough for the GM job, so stop making excuses for the things he can’t get done for this team.