Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, DarthEbriate said:

If Byram (projected PP#1 will score 50+ points) is the primary piece for Kyrou (70-point forward), then you shouldn't need to include 9OA. A shrewd (non-desperate) GM making that trade might move a lottery-protected 1st, but then there would need to be assets coming back. For Kyrou, 9 is off the table for me. 

Heck, Utah just got a 68-point winger for a depth D-man and a bottom-6 forward.

If you want to throw in Lafferty... or Rosen, fine. But Byram should be considered a stud and has a higher ceiling at his position than Kyrou does at his.

24 year old defenseman who has never scored 40 points let alone 50, and now has to get paid in the range of Power.  For Kyrou who has scored 30+ goals for 3 straight seasons and averaged 70+ for 4 years.  If he had another cheap year maybe his value is higher, but the new contract starts this year.  

[ASlugAbove]

10 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

I think this is too much - keep the 9th, send Byram and a prospect.  Kyrou is a great player and you do what it takes to make it work, but look at this unbalance it creates.  We should really be targeting a LWer.

Centers: Kyrou, Norris, Kulich, Mcleod, Krebs (very strong - who moves to wing, specifically LW?)

RW: Tage, Tuch, Quinn, Doan, (solid)

LW:  Benson, Zucker, Greenway, Maelstyn (yuck)

You're not getting a player like Kyrou for Byam + Top prospect alone. He's had 4 straight 65+ point years and he's signed long term for 6 more years. He will cost a lot. I get the point of the LW need but I'm strictly coming from a "I need to replace Peterka's scoring" angle. I'd be willing to part with the 9th and Byram for that.

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Eeek, no. Why are we overvaluing Kyrou so much? He's not a multiple-1st Eichel-level move. I'd argue Byram is the best player in the draft (certainly with regards to upside).

When I said lesser piece, i meant lesser than Kyrou, not "bad".

Basically, a Helenius-level piece the Sabres might need more than they do.

Blues need centre and RD more than other positions.

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, ASlugAbove said:

You're not getting a player like Kyrou for Byam + Top prospect alone. He's had 4 straight 65+ point years and he's signed long term for 6 more years. He will cost a lot. I get the point of the LW need but I'm strictly coming from a "I need to replace Peterka's scoring" angle. I'd be willing to part with the 9th and Byram for that.

I don't know that the + is #9 but I do think there is a +. Kleber was my ballpark.

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, dudacek said:

When I said lesser piece, i meant lesser than Kyrou, not "bad".

Basically, a Helenius-level piece the Sabres might need more than they do.

Blues need centre and RD more than other positions.

Helenius + Byram better bet a hell of a lot more than just Kyrou.

[Mr. Allen]

30 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

Someone out there liked him i guess.  

I'd assume it'd be byram, a high level prospect, and #9 maybe gets it done? 

What!?!  If Adams sent all that for just Kyrou it would be a terrible trade

20 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Helenius, Kleber and Byram for Kyrou and a lesser piece?

No way. 

[CTJoe]

22 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Helenius, Kleber and Byram for Kyrou and a lesser piece?

Nope Helenius is a hard no

[SabreFinn]

The trade that makes most sense to me is Byram for Rust/Rakell. Rusts' NTC expire after the draft and I am not expecting us to trade 9 OA.

[CTJoe]

I think Byram and a rosen type should be enough for Kyrou.  Unless Kyrou can play the off-wing (he shoots right), I look elsewhere.  Love the player, don't love the fit. We already have Tage and Tuch at RW.  I get "replacing JJ's scoring" but this isn't fantasy hockey where you just draft 12 forwards and don't worry about positions. Maybe Tage or Tuch can play offwing?  Don't worry, our genious GM should have this all figured out

4 minutes ago, SabreFinn said:

The trade that makes most sense to me is Byram for Rust/Rakell. Rusts' NTC expire after the draft and I am not expecting us to trade 9 OA.

Not for me, Rust is too old and not getting enough

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, SabreFinn said:

The trade that makes most sense to me is Byram for Rust/Rakell. Rusts' NTC expire after the draft and I am not expecting us to trade 9 OA.

Trading a 23 year old Dman for  32 plus year old forward makes no sense unless we get prospects/picks back. 

[DarthEbriate]

28 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

24 year old defenseman who has never scored 40 points let alone 50, and now has to get paid in the range of Power.  For Kyrou who has scored 30+ goals for 3 straight seasons and averaged 70+ for 4 years.  If he had another cheap year maybe his value is higher, but the new contract starts this year.  

Byram has played behind Dahlin, Power (1st overall already signed [foolishly] to a who is going to be gifted every opportunity), and some guy named Makar. If he goes to St. Louis he immediately jumps to the top of their offensive defencemen list. Fowler? Nothing to write home about. Broberg? Some solid offensive potential, less than Byram. Leddy? He's pretty cooked and a UFA at the end of the season.

Before a trade is approved, St Louis would have an extension for Byram in place, so the duration of Kyrou's contract is immaterial.

Kyrou's numbers are JJP's numbers with an NHL-level coached powerplay (a bit above league average, but 16th overall in the standings). Every non-tanking team in the league has a 70-point pacing winger. Kyrou is a good piece to have, not a player you build around. And Byram could be the same, but that doesn't mean you have to give away Byram + + to get a guy that every team has.

Edited 5 hours ago by DarthEbriate

[CTJoe]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Trading a 23 year old Dman for  32 plus year old forward makes no sense unless we get prospects/picks back. 

Agree and I do like Rust but he's not a fit and not for Byram.  He was -22, playing with Crosby and he's a RWer.  WE NEED LWERS!!  Any trade candidates who shoot left?

[Archie Lee]

27 minutes ago, Thorny said:

You would be fine that we extended a poor player after we said we could afford to trade Peterka cause the Byram trade will supplement the offence 

Welcome, 1C Jash Norris

Well, I disagree with you that Byram is a poor player.

 

[Thorny]

Just now, Archie Lee said:

Well, I disagree with you that Byram is a poor player.

 

I forgot, Peterka‘S metrics mean he is bad, Byram’s don’t. Sabrespace 

[LGR4GM]

Idk if bad is the word but questionable is. I think that applies to both guys. 

[CTJoe]

Jason Robertson is the guy we should be targeting.  Dallas desperately wants to sign him but has cap issues.  Unfortunately, they probably don't have a desperate need for LHD. In this case I would do Byram, #9 and basically any top prospect

As for UFA, why not keep Byram and play him with Dahlin (where he's quite good with) and sign either

Ehlers - I'd literally cry if we could get him

or

Drouin

 

 

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I forgot, Peterka‘S metrics mean he is bad, Byram’s don’t. Sabrespace 

Peterka's metrics were bad with Tage and really really bad without tage.  Byrams metrics are good with Dahlin, not good elsewhere. Of course, I could paly with Dahlin and my metrics would be pretty good

[Porous Five Hole]

48 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Helenius, Kleber and Byram for Kyrou and a lesser piece?

I know trades are supposed to hurt, but throwing in Helenius hurts too much. I watched his first season in ROC and we’ve got something with this player.  

[Eleven]

I'd like to know what the pairings look like with Byram gone.  Who does Dahlin play with?  If it's Kesselring, then we're in the same spot as last year when it comes to Power.  Dahlin is exceptional, yes, but you can't just put a tackle dummy next to him on the blue line.  I could live with Samuelsson as Dahlin's partner; I think that worked once.

Edited 4 hours ago by Eleven

[CTJoe]

3 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I'd like to know what the pairings look like with Byram gone.  Who does Dahlin play with?  If it's Kesselring, then we're in the same spot as last year when it comes to Power.  Dahlin is exceptional, yes, but you can't just put a tackle dummy next to him on the blue line.  I could live with Samuelsson as Dahlin's partner; I think that worked once.

Exactly!!  Byram with Dahlin works and I think Kesselring with Power could work.  I know Byram wants PP time, but too bad, he's under team control.  Keep Byram, sign ehlers = great offseason, or at least good offseason

[Rasmus_]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Sign him, give him pp time, play him with Dahlin. 

Based on all these offers, I 100% agree.  Play him on the top line, and have him take over the PP2 position.  As far as I'm concerned Power hasn't earned ***** at getting preferntial treatment.  Start using your body.  

9 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I'd like to know what the pairings look like with Byram gone.  Who does Dahlin play with?  If it's Kesselring, then we're in the same spot as last year when it comes to Power.  Dahlin is exceptional, yes, but you can't just put a tackle dummy next to him on the blue line.  I could live with Samuelsson as Dahlin's partner; I think that worked once.

Honestly, everyone keeps saying, find Power a partner.  Maybe, Power is the problem.   A soft, one way player who honestly puts up stationary invisible numbers that inflate his actual value.  

Edited 4 hours ago by Rasmus_

[Thorny]

20 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

Jason Robertson is the guy we should be targeting.  Dallas desperately wants to sign him but has cap issues.  Unfortunately, they probably don't have a desperate need for LHD. In this case I would do Byram, #9 and basically any top prospect

As for UFA, why not keep Byram and play him with Dahlin (where he's quite good with) and sign either

Ehlers - I'd literally cry if we could get him

or

Drouin

 

 

Peterka's metrics were bad with Tage and really really bad without tage.  Byrams metrics are good with Dahlin, not good elsewhere. Of course, I could paly with Dahlin and my metrics would be pretty good

Peterka’s metrix

 

[CTJoe]

2 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Based on all these offers, I 100% agree.  Play him on the top line, and have him take over the PP2 position.  As far as I'm concerned Power hasn't earned ***** at getting preferntial treatment.  Start using your body.  

Honestly, everyone keeps saying, find Power a partner.  Maybe, Power is the problem.   A soft, one way player who honestly puts up stationary invisible numbers that inflate his actual value.  His offensive zone touches are getting better, but hes the perfect example of a young player, being tought that offense only matters. 

Maybe, but, Adams has done a disservice to Power with whom he's partnered him with.  I don't like the fact Power is a giant with no physicality but he deserves to reserve judgment until he's played with a solid partner for a while.

[SabreFinn]

36 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Trading a 23 year old Dman for  32 plus year old forward makes no sense unless we get prospects/picks back. 

Penguins need a LD and we need veteran leadership. A Stanley cup winner on a cheap contract is a fit to me.

[CTJoe]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Peterka’s metrix

 

And JJ's expected goals against and high danger?

[SABRES 0311]

4 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Honestly, everyone keeps saying, find Power a partner.  Maybe, Power is the problem.   A soft, one way player who honestly puts up stationary invisible numbers that inflate his actual value.  His offensive zone touches are getting better, but hes the perfect example of a young player, being tought that offense only matters. 

Been saying the same thing but we are in the minority. I also don't understand the idea of McLeod as 2C, Norris as 1C. Why, so we can complain about missing the playoffs again?

Then there's the unwillingness to trade certain prospects because what we think they might become someday at an unknown point in the future. It's like we want to get better but don't want to pay the price of getting better because we are worried about the future when we don't even have a present.