Time to trade Peterka

[thewookie1]

7 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

From another board:

 

This morning on NHL Radio Scott Laughlin (morning show host) said he heard on a "reputable podcast" that Peterka for Necas is a real possibility. Anyone hear the podcast he's referring to?

To me thats a trade that makes a lot of sense. If Peterka wants out of Buffalo its hard to find a better spot than riding shotgun with Mac. Meanwhile Buffalo wants another center and Necas wants to be a center

 

Dont shoot the messenger!

 

I could get behind this deal if there is more to it, Colorado needs to cut salary, so add Ross Colton or Josh Manson to this as well, I know they will want to add Miles Wood and becasue he is from Buffalo and played for Lindy I could see KA agreeing to take him

The issue with Necas is he didn't want to sign here before and he's a UFA at year's end.

[The Jokeman]

8 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

The issue with Necas is he didn't want to sign here before and he's a UFA at year's end.

Exactly, I can't see his stance changing any after passing on us last season. That said to me a trade like that isn't much of a needle pusher. The only thing Necas to me adds is a right hand shot and possible the ability to play 1C yet think ultimately he'd be our top RW.  

[inkman]

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

[jahnyc]

For such a bad team over the last number of years, it sure seems that we always have a number of highly desired players by other teams.  

[ponokasabre]

31 minutes ago, inkman said:

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

Its starting to feel like the Cozens and Mitts trades before, both of those, there was a ton of chatter before it happened, and in both cases KA said we arent actively shopping them, then boom traded, so its possible

 

Just dont know who Tampa would offer? Id take Cernak all day but he has a no move, we could welcome back Hagel, he has no trade protection at all, Cirelli but he has a no move as well

[Jorcus]

30 minutes ago, inkman said:

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

They only have 1 veteran forward of note without a NMT or no trade. Brandon Hagel. They can offer the young Conor Geekie. They have no first round draft picks for the next 3 years. Defense seems to be a bigger need. I don't think they are even in the game  unless there is some 3 way deal going on.   

[Porous Five Hole]

26 minutes ago, inkman said:

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

Agree it is getting hard to ignore. But the best course of action is for the Sabres to sign JJP to a two year bridge deal and trade him as an RFA after that.  This is because the team cannot get younger as a result of a trade right now and if the Sabres are trading for a veteran…you’re probably trading away the better player so it cannot happen.  
 

GMKA needs a new tagline because I don’t care if Peterka wants to be here or not.  JJP has no leverage regardless of what Howdy Doody has said in the past.  

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, Jorcus said:

They only have 1 veteran forward of note without a NMT or no trade. Brandon Hagel. They can offer the young Conor Geekie. They have no first round draft picks for the next 3 years. Defense seems to be a bigger need. I don't think they are even in the game  unless there is some 3 way deal going on.   

I’ll take Cernak off their hands for JJP straight up.  I doubt he’s waiving his NTC though. 

[The Jokeman]

42 minutes ago, inkman said:

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

Unless we take a very bad salary and get a 3rd team involved I can't see them getting us anything we'd want. I mean almost their entire roster is over aged. 

[Scottysabres]

57 minutes ago, inkman said:

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

Has to be an established top 6 forward coming back, no?

I mean, don’t get me wrong Ink, I think the Sabres can absorb losing Peterka and a player like Quinn with no issues, since we have no where to climb but up. But I don’t think a trade like a Peterka asset is about honoring the players feels about not wanting to be here. I think it’s about pulling this team out of the basement.

But hey, I realize it’s Adams. We have a lot of assets, I’m just thinking he’s not going to trade for picks or futures, but a here and now deal.

[Jorcus]

14 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

Has to be an established top 6 forward coming back, no?

I mean, don’t get me wrong Ink, I think the Sabres can absorb losing Peterka and a player like Quinn with no issues, since we have no where to climb but up. But I don’t think a trade like a Peterka asset is about honoring the players feels about not wanting to be here. I think it’s about pulling this team out of the basement.

But hey, I realize it’s Adams. We have a lot of assets, I’m just thinking he’s not going to trade for picks or futures, but a here and now deal.

 

Paul Hamilton was on WGR this morning speculating that Peterka has more of a problem with Lindy Ruff than he does with Buffalo or the Sabres. He might be careful what he wishes for if that is the case. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

I don’t know if all the smoke means there’s a fire but it’s hard to ignore.  I’m usually the most skeptical person on Earth when it comes to to hockey rumors but it’s coming from a bunch of different places.  It might be everyone is just glomming off the original BS from the Rangers but if the Sabres can be the beneficiaries of a bidding war, I’m intrigued. 

None of this info is coming from the Sabres side or from ppl with Sabres connections. Almost EVERY SINGLE piece of info on this comes from Seravelli with Friedman occasionally chiming in. Buffalo can just keep Peterka but these guys talk like he must be traded. IMPO, I think the vultures are circling because Pegula hung onto Adams and ppl think he will be desperate. Hopefully Jarmo is able to be a voice of reason. You don't trade Peterka unless you are improving your team, stop being nice howdy doody and put the hammer down. 

13 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

 

Paul Hamilton was on WGR this morning speculating that Peterka has more of a problem with Lindy Ruff than he does with Buffalo or the Sabres. He might be careful what he wishes for if that is the case. 

Hiring Ruff was a mistake and last season showed that. They literally got worse last year. 

[rickshaw]

Seravalli is a complete hack. Why anyone listens to this clown is beyond me.

 

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, Jorcus said:

They only have 1 veteran forward of note without a NMT or no trade. Brandon Hagel. They can offer the young Conor Geekie. They have no first round draft picks for the next 3 years. Defense seems to be a bigger need. I don't think they are even in the game  unless there is some 3 way deal going on.   

Puckpedia could be wrong, but in the fine print on their player page for Cirelli it indicates that his no trade clause kicks in July 1st this year.   

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Puckpedia could be wrong, but in the fine print on their player page for Cirelli it indicates that his no trade clause kicks in July 1st this year.   

Yes and then in 2027 it switches to a 16 team NTC. 

[dudacek]

14 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Puckpedia could be wrong, but in the fine print on their player page for Cirelli it indicates that his no trade clause kicks in July 1st this year.   

This is exactly right, and i'd be interested if they are.

I would rather go with Cirelli than Peterka in my top 9 with this mix.

A Norris Cirelli McLeod centre spine is a lot more veteran and harder to play against than what we had last year. Something like this?

• Thompson Cirelli Benson
• Tuch Norris Zucker
• Quinn McLeod Greenway

With Kulich forcing his way into the mix.

Edited 3 hours ago by dudacek

[oddoublee]

As this thread has progressed...anyone having pause over the idea of trading away a 68 point forward who is only 23, rather than paying him 7m a year? 

Not saying he will be a 2 way juggernaut...but he's young and has 7 or more years of really good hockey ahead of him...

[Archie Lee]

16 minutes ago, dudacek said:

This is exactly right, and i'd be interested if they are.

I would rather go with Cirelli than Peterka in my top 9.

And a Norris Cirelli McLeod centre spine is a lot more veteran and harder to play against than what we had last year. Something like this?

• Thompson Cirelli Benson
• Tuch Norris Zucker
• Quinn McLeod Greenway

With Kulich forcing his way into the mix.

I agree that this would seemingly take us closer to the playoffs this season.

Of course, it's probably fair to say that if the Tampa Bay Lightning are willing to trade Cirelli for Peterka, that there are some smart hockey people who think Peterka has the potential to be very, very good.

Peterka is going into the season that Panarin and Kaprizov were in when they first game to the NHL from Russia. In what would have been their respective D5 years, Panarin and Kaprizov were in the KHL and repectively put of 62 points in 54 games and 62 points in 57 games. Peterka had 68 points in 73 NHL games in his D5.  I'm not saying that Peterka will be a Panarin/Kaprizov level of player.  But, I wonder if some teams perhaps see that level as his potential ceiling. With star level players being so hard to find, particularly when you are always finishing in the top 3rd of the league and/or trading your 1st rd picks, Tampa might just see Peterka as a chance worth taking.  At worst, he's a 70 point winger, which is nothing to sneeze at.  At best, maybe he is the 90-100 point winger that Peca (allegedly) predicted when he coached him in Rochester.    

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Archie Lee

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

As this thread has progressed...anyone having pause over the idea of trading away a 68 point forward who is only 23, rather than paying him 7m a year? 

Not saying he will be a 2 way juggernaut...but he's young and has 7 or more years of really good hockey ahead of him...

Said repeatedly they don't have to trade him, they should only do so if it improves the team which means for a player that fills an hole or upgrades the forward group. 

[ponokasabre]

33 minutes ago, dudacek said:

This is exactly right, and i'd be interested if they are.

I would rather go with Cirelli than Peterka in my top 9 with this mix.

A Norris Cirelli McLeod centre spine is a lot more veteran and harder to play against than what we had last year. Something like this?

• Thompson Cirelli Benson
• Tuch Norris Zucker
• Quinn McLeod Greenway

With Kulich forcing his way into the mix.

This looks really good, id love to add another vet winger in there that is harder to play against but the center spine is very solid

 

And then we can absorb a possible Norris injury if it happens lol

[dudacek]

17 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I agree that this would seemingly take us closer to the playoffs this season.

Of course, it's probably fair to say that if the Tampa Bay Lightning are willing to trade Cirelli for Peterka, that there are some smart hockey people who think Peterka has the potential to be very, very good.

Peterka is going into the season that Panarin and Kaprizov were in when they first game to the NHL from Russia. In what would have been their respective D5 years, Panarin and Kaprizov were in the KHL and repectively put of 62 points in 54 games and 62 points in 57 games. Peterka had 68 points in 73 NHL games in his D5.  I'm not saying that Peterka will be a Panarin/Kaprizov level of player.  But, I wonder if some teams perhaps see that level as his potential ceiling. With star level players being so hard to find, particularly when you are always finishing in the top 3rd of the league and/or trading your 1st rd picks, Tampa might just see Peterka as a chance worth taking.  At worst, he's a 70 point winger, which is nothing to sneeze at.  At best, maybe he is the 90-100 point winger that Peca (allegedly) predicted when he coached him in Rochester.    

 

Very real concern.

I disagree though that his at-worst is a point total he has yet to hit.

At worst, he is Jeff Skinner: an overpaid 45 to 65 point offensive winger who doesn’t play winning hockey.

(Not saying that’s what he will be, just that it’s as likely as “80-point winner” particularly if he stays in Buffalo)

[DarthEbriate]

Tampa is not trading Cirelli. He's a Selke-candidate center in a division with Matthews and Barkov who they have to beat to get out of the second round every year. And Yanni Gourde, despite being signed forever at a low cost, is no Cirelli.

If Tampa were the target, the Adams Special Deal of the Day would be centered around JJP for Moser +, who has 1 year left before becoming RFA again. No, thank you.

[Thorny]

7 hours ago, dudacek said:

Everybody (except @JohnC) wants massive changes.

Nobody (except @terrypegula) wants Kevyn Adams to make them.

I suspect what’s coming will not be warmly received by Sabrespace because it will involve hyped pieces being moved for less-hyped pieces by an untrustworthy GM.

That’s what happens when you move talent for roster construction and that’s what you’re asking them to do.

If it happens, trading your #2 D and your 1LW a few months after swapping out your 2C in would be among the most significant transformations this team has made in a short period in its history, meaning hockey trades, not sell-offs.

It’s certainly not Eichel ROR Lehner Kane and Bogisian, or Lafontaine Hawerchuk level. But it does represent meaningful change.

Im not confident we’ll be better in a month but I’m starting to believe we’ll be different.

Depends what the return is. If we deal JJ and Byram for futures Norris will be promoted as the big offseason addition as predicted and the transformation is minimal 

could also easily end up with a situation where we’ve bridged JJ, dealt Byram for a depth vet D and a high pick, and “added” Norris. Again, minimal transformation 

If we deal Peterka for a Peterka level player and Byram for a concept of Byram level player we can talk 

Edited 43 minutes ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

5 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Exactly, I can't see his stance changing any after passing on us last season. That said to me a trade like that isn't much of a needle pusher. The only thing Necas to me adds is a right hand shot and possible the ability to play 1C yet think ultimately he'd be our top RW.  

A player we’d have an excuse not to pony up the cash for, you say? 

3 hours ago, rickshaw said:

Seravalli is a complete hack. Why anyone listens to this clown is beyond me.

 

He also looks 70

And is 27

3 hours ago, dudacek said:

This is exactly right, and i'd be interested if they are.

I would rather go with Cirelli than Peterka in my top 9 with this mix.

A Norris Cirelli McLeod centre spine is a lot more veteran and harder to play against than what we had last year. Something like this?

• Thompson Cirelli Benson
• Tuch Norris Zucker
• Quinn McLeod Greenway

With Kulich forcing his way into the mix.

It’s like a mirror image haha 

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, oddoublee said:

As this thread has progressed...anyone having pause over the idea of trading away a 68 point forward who is only 23, rather than paying him 7m a year? 

Not saying he will be a 2 way juggernaut...but he's young and has 7 or more years of really good hockey ahead of him...

The sabres don’t seem to negotiate or convince when a player has concerns it sounds like they just give up errrrr revert to “we only want players who want to be here.”