What would you give up for K’Andre Miller?

[DHawerchuk10]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Miller is a 3rd line d-man on a good team.   A one to one swap for Muel, and maybe we toss in a grade B prospect or 3rd round pick.  

No way you trade Power or Byram for him and then think he is going cover those minutes.  He is not good enough and the Rangers know that.  

Sabres always working on the fringe - fooling with the 3rd pair defense and 4th line is not going to move the needle.   Improve the top 4 defense and the top 6 forwards and then move some current roster players down.  

The only 4th line player they need is one that will be an enforcer.   Sorry Kevyn, but Malenstyn/Lafferty are not that guy.   

I think he's a bit better than a 3rd line d-man, but his stock and overall play is probably at a low point coming off this year, so he's definitely a buy low situation.  As has been mentioned, my interest would be lukewarm since he'll probably command more than he's worth, and not necessarily the right fit for the Sabres.  He went through stretches two years ago, where I honestly thought he looked better than Fox, but he's definitely regressed from that.  

[Night Train]

I've already given up. 

[LGR4GM]

16 minutes ago, inkman said:

I’d rather have McDavid from the Oilers. Unfortunately neither he nor Schneider were the players in the rumor. 

 

You don’t think he’s an improvement over Muel or Clifton?  

Not really. Not at his contract price.

[OverPowerYou]

We will trade for him, he will lose his passion for the game and we will trade him to a team that wins the cup. Next.

[Taro T]

Isn't he the Rag that spit on Tuch a couple seasons back?

Audette and Muni seemed to be able to coexist on the same team.

[JohnC]

Rosen and second round pick for Miller. 

[steveoath]

They can choose muel or Clifton. And I’m not adding picks or prospects. Think miller is well overrated. 

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, DHawerchuk10 said:

I think he's a bit better than a 3rd line d-man, but his stock and overall play is probably at a low point coming off this year, so he's definitely a buy low situation.  As has been mentioned, my interest would be lukewarm since he'll probably command more than he's worth, and not necessarily the right fit for the Sabres.  He went through stretches two years ago, where I honestly thought he looked better than Fox, but he's definitely regressed from that.  

Good analysis. I saw more of him a couple of years ago than I did last year. Then, I thought that he was a promising player. And as you noted, at times he stood out more than Fox because of his physicality. But as usual, after time you settle down to being what you are. I would be willing to deal for him but wouldn't give up major assets for him. 

[PerreaultForever]

Miller might be a bottom pairing guy on a good team but (assuming Byram is moved) he'd be 3rd best D man on the Sabres. 

Nobody wants Samuelsson unless we eat contract (which we won't) and Rosen has little to no value. You can make a Jokiharju for Nylander type deal with Rosen but otherwise he's a throw in. KA waited too long on moving him for real value. You want value for prospects they have to more unknown upside like Savoie had. 

So sure, I'd trade Samuelsson and Rosen for him but that's not going to happen and I'd trade Rosen and Samuelsson for a bag of pucks anyway. 

[Mr. Allen]

43 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Miller might be a bottom pairing guy on a good team but (assuming Byram is moved) he'd be 3rd best D man on the Sabres. 

Nobody wants Samuelsson unless we eat contract (which we won't) and Rosen has little to no value. You can make a Jokiharju for Nylander type deal with Rosen but otherwise he's a throw in. KA waited too long on moving him for real value. You want value for prospects they have to more unknown upside like Savoie had. 

So sure, I'd trade Samuelsson and Rosen for him but that's not going to happen and I'd trade Rosen and Samuelsson for a bag of pucks anyway. 

Why do people assume Rosen has no value?  When we drafted him everyone knew he was going to take longer than other prospects? He was a small, undersized, underdeveloped kid with promising abilities.  But we knew he was years away.  
He’s been playing really well in Rochester and every time he gets called up he’s playing with 4th line trash. No way you can tell if someone has it that way

[LGR4GM]

50 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Miller might be a bottom pairing guy on a good team but (assuming Byram is moved) he'd be 3rd best D man on the Sabres. 

Nobody wants Samuelsson unless we eat contract (which we won't) and Rosen has little to no value. You can make a Jokiharju for Nylander type deal with Rosen but otherwise he's a throw in. KA waited too long on moving him for real value. You want value for prospects they have to more unknown upside like Savoie had. 

So sure, I'd trade Samuelsson and Rosen for him but that's not going to happen and I'd trade Rosen and Samuelsson for a bag of pucks anyway. 

Paying 6 million to a 3rd pairing defender is bad cap management imo. That's his low end salary estimate. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Paying 6 million to a 3rd pairing defender is bad cap management imo. That's his low end salary estimate. 

Are you saying Miller is a 3rd pairing D?  I'll respectfully disagree.  I think he is a solid top 4 D with some good physical attributes.  He adds some offense and is ok defensively (but an improvement on nearly everyone on the Sabres).  With the right partner, he'd be a major improvement for the Sabres.  The problem is Power isn't that partner, but Dahlin could be.  

[LGR4GM]

29 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Are you saying Miller is a 3rd pairing D?  I'll respectfully disagree.  I think he is a solid top 4 D with some good physical attributes.  He adds some offense and is ok defensively (but an improvement on nearly everyone on the Sabres).  With the right partner, he'd be a major improvement for the Sabres.  The problem is Power isn't that partner, but Dahlin could be.  

He's not good enough to be a 1st pair player. If he can't play with Power, he's a 3rd pair in buffalo. Why are we trading assets and paying that much for a 3rd pairing defender? Because he hits?

[LGR4GM]

If you can move out Samuelsson, sure,  get Miller but without that move, it's not good team building. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

He's not good enough to be a 1st pair player. If he can't play with Power, he's a 3rd pair in buffalo. Why are we trading assets and paying that much for a 3rd pairing defender? Because he hits?

This is where you are wrong imho.  Miller can certainly play top pairing minutes with Dahlin 5 on 5.  The Rags paired Miller with Fox as their 4th most common pairing last season.  They had a GF% of 61% and an XGF of 64%.  These number were significantly better than Fox's numbers with his most common partner Schneider.  

While Miller's scoring was down this past season, he had 49 and 47 points the prior 2 seasons and has average 21 to 22 minutes a night of PT including nearly 22 minutes a game last season.  HE has also averaged nearly 56% D zone starts in his career including 58% last season.  Most of his PT is 5 on 5, but he played often the NYR PK and occasionally on the PP.

[oddoublee]

I would think we would all be tired of over priced, under performing young defenseman at this point. 

Let's find a 29-32 yr old vet to lead this God forsaken D group of ours. This group needs to get older...not younger.

[7+6=13]

24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

If you can move out Samuelsson, sure,  get Miller but without that move, it's not good team building. 

I clearly don't know him like some of you.  I did some reading up on him and watched about an hour of some video.  I concede that I put together too much for him but I am interested in a better mix.  I think we all agree on that, so I just thought added attributes we don't currently have.

I must say, I do think we over value Samuelsson.  I don't think we could trade him if we told a team they can have him and you don't have to give us anything.  So we're not getting Miller for him.

[7+6=13]

6 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

I would think we would all be tired of over priced, under performing young defenseman at this point. 

Let's find a 29-32 yr old vet to lead this God forsaken D group of ours. This group needs to get older...not younger.

I get that but when you have three of them, at some point you should trade some for others with at least a skill set we're lacking.

[LGR4GM]

28 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

This is where you are wrong imho.  Miller can certainly play top pairing minutes with Dahlin 5 on 5.  The Rags paired Miller with Fox as their 4th most common pairing last season.  They had a GF% of 61% and an XGF of 64%.  These number were significantly better than Fox's numbers with his most common partner Schneider.  

While Miller's scoring was down this past season, he had 49 and 47 points the prior 2 seasons and has average 21 to 22 minutes a night of PT including nearly 22 minutes a game last season.  HE has also averaged nearly 56% D zone starts in his career including 58% last season.  Most of his PT is 5 on 5, but he played often the NYR PK and occasionally on the PP.

So now you conservatively have Dahlin at 11 whatever, Samuelsson at 4.3, Power at 8.3, Miller at let's say 6. 

That's 4 lhd for 30 million roughly. As I said, unless you can jettison Samuelsson, this doesn't make sense. And you still have to trade Byram. 

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Allen said:

Why do people assume Rosen has no value?  When we drafted him everyone knew he was going to take longer than other prospects? He was a small, undersized, underdeveloped kid with promising abilities.  But we knew he was years away.  
He’s been playing really well in Rochester and every time he gets called up he’s playing with 4th line trash. No way you can tell if someone has it that way

over valuing assets is a thing with fans in general and definitely with Sabres fans. Don't you find it funny that everybody is always throwing him into deals? Did you see anything in his call up time that makes you think he's an NHL player? I did not. 

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Paying 6 million to a 3rd pairing defender is bad cap management imo. That's his low end salary estimate. 

Sure, I'm not big on his salary and that's why I said if you could move Samuelsson then sure. With that subtraction the addition has less cap impact and the team is a little better. 

Problem I see is if they move out Byram then what? You really have no partner for Power or Dahlin. What you gonna do play them together for 40 minutes every night? Your D is very thin and Power isn't even fully cooked yet. 

[LGR4GM]

52 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Sure, I'm not big on his salary and that's why I said if you could move Samuelsson then sure. With that subtraction the addition has less cap impact and the team is a little better. 

Problem I see is if they move out Byram then what? You really have no partner for Power or Dahlin. What you gonna do play them together for 40 minutes every night? Your D is very thin and Power isn't even fully cooked yet. 

"Your D" not "our D"

Interesting. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

If you can move out Samuelsson, sure,  get Miller but without that move, it's not good team building. 

That I wouldn't disagree with.  Like I've said many times, buy out Samuelsson if you have to, but time to move on.

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

So now you conservatively have Dahlin at 11 whatever, Samuelsson at 4.3, Power at 8.3, Miller at let's say 6. 

That's 4 lhd for 30 million roughly. As I said, unless you can jettison Samuelsson, this doesn't make sense. And you still have to trade Byram. 

Dahlin prefers to play the right side and I've said many many many times to buy out Samuelsson.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Paying 6 million to a 3rd pairing defender is bad cap management imo. That's his low end salary estimate. 

If you are suggesting that he will get $6M per, I don't see that happening. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

That I wouldn't disagree with.  Like I've said many times, buy out Samuelsson if you have to, but time to move on.

Dahlin prefers to play the right side and I've said many many many times to buy out Samuelsson.

Well aware of what side of the ice Rasmus Dahlin likes. I don't think Miller would be great as his partner. 

26 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If you are suggesting that he will get $6M per, I don't see that happening. 

Ok, well that's his projected salary on a 6year deal in 2 different places give or take 200k.