Byram has packed up his house and will be moved: After the Whistle

[Jorcus]

13 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Thing about the Avs (and maybe this keeps them from getting over the top again) is they are clearly a forward projecting team with the idea of staying competitive long term. Hence they move people out that they think will give them cap issues down the road. I'd guess they already knew Byram would exceed their payroll and since they already have Makar they chose a different direction. Mitts was a gamble (like Ottawa with Cozens) on the idea that players will be better when they escape Buffalo. He didn't fit and they swapped him out for what they saw as a better playoff 3rd line fit in Coyle. Coyle disappointed too so I guess that's failure. Adams? He just doesn't seem to have a clue one way or the other.

 

I don't agree with this. In my view everything the Avs have done for the last 2 years is to try to win now at the expense of the future except in the case of Miko where their hands were tied. Last year they were desperate need for a 2 C so they traded a good asset for Mitt's. At that time and place neither team knew for certain what the next contract talks for either player would be. Mitts played pretty well and got the 3x 5.75. It could have been more if he had a great playoff run. We still don't know what Byram is going to get paid or by who. Assuming he gets no giant offer sheet a bridge contract is possible at something only a bit higher than what Mitts got. No matter what, I don't see how the Avs knew what that would be a year ago.

In the meantime the Avs have dealt about every asset they have to try and win now. They only have a 4th and 7th pick this year. They do not have a 1,2 or3 next year. With Landeskog coming back they are over the cap with 6 UFA contracts. I don't blame them for what they tried to do. When you have 2 great players in their prime you have to go all out to support them. 2 years in a row they lost to the Stars in game 7's that could have gone either way. If they got past them either year maybe they could have another cup. It's a different team in a different place than the Sabres. It's hard to turn over that many players during the season and play as a unit. They are going to have a tough off season, but what ever they do it will be for the now in expense of the future because of the high end players they have in their prime.  

[DarthEbriate]

15 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Thing about the Avs (and maybe this keeps them from getting over the top again) is they are clearly a forward projecting team with the idea of staying competitive long term. Hence they move people out that they think will give them cap issues down the road. I'd guess they already knew Byram would exceed their payroll and since they already have Makar they chose a different direction. Mitts was a gamble (like Ottawa with Cozens) on the idea that players will be better when they escape Buffalo. He didn't fit and they swapped him out for what they saw as a better playoff 3rd line fit in Coyle. Coyle disappointed too so I guess that's failure. Adams? He just doesn't seem to have a clue one way or the other.

One thing can certainly be said about the Avs vs. the Sabres GM. Last season, the Avs started horribly because of a devastating rash of injuries and some of the worst goaltending possible. Once the injuries subsided, and the goaltending was still garbage, they salvaged their season before it got out of hand. Within a two-week stretch, the Avs had moved both Annunen .872 sv% and Georgiev .874 sv% out and brought in the Blackwood-Wedgewood tandem, who would have save percentages with the Avs of .913 and .917, respectively.

Adams has been dinking around with goaltenders for 5 years.

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

One thing can certainly be said about the Avs vs. the Sabres GM. Last season, the Avs started horribly because of a devastating rash of injuries and some of the worst goaltending possible. Once the injuries subsided, and the goaltending was still garbage, they salvaged their season before it got out of hand. Within a two-week stretch, the Avs had moved both Annunen .872 sv% and Georgiev .874 sv% out and brought in the Blackwood-Wedgewood tandem, who would have save percentages with the Avs of .913 and .917, respectively.

Adams has been dinking around with goaltenders for 5 years.

That's fair and that's a huge difference between Avs and Sabres. You can argue about their mistakes but they do not sit pat and hope for the future. They constantly make moves and try to get better. I think they balance the future view with the present so I disagree a little with @Jorcus but they definitely don't wait for prospects to develop. If something isn't working they make a move and they move fast and aggressive. They gave Mitts a shot but their patience wore thin quickly. Goaltending with the Sabres has been a joke for years and now we wait on Levi. Hope that an AHL star goalie will carry us next year. Maybe, maybe not. Obviously Adams is banking on Levi being as impactful as Wolf in Calgary. Without a solid plan B it's a fool's gamble. 

[Pimlach]

8 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

One thing can certainly be said about the Avs vs. the Sabres GM. Last season, the Avs started horribly because of a devastating rash of injuries and some of the worst goaltending possible. Once the injuries subsided, and the goaltending was still garbage, they salvaged their season before it got out of hand. Within a two-week stretch, the Avs had moved both Annunen .872 sv% and Georgiev .874 sv% out and brought in the Blackwood-Wedgewood tandem, who would have save percentages with the Avs of .913 and .917, respectively.

Adams has been dinking around with goaltenders for 5 years.

Wow.  Avs GM is Chris McFarland.   That is pretty good GM'ing in mid-season.  

Tokarski and Dell must have retired.  

[Mr. Allen]

I’ve read two different articles now how badly the Rangers need a top pairing LHD.  Bryam is the exact type of “splash” move the Rangers like to make.  
What’s causing this move to not happen?  Is Drury more likely to not trade with us because of the history of him here?  In same division?  Adams isn’t very good at trades?  
Bryam for Schnieder.  Is that close in value? 

[dudacek]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

I’ve read two different articles now how badly the Rangers need a top pairing LHD.  Bryam is the exact type of “splash” move the Rangers like to make.  
What’s causing this move to not happen?  Is Drury more likely to not trade with us because of the history of him here?  In same division?  Adams isn’t very good at trades?  
Bryam for Schnieder.  Is that close in value? 

I think the Rangers would have trouble paying Byram what he wants.

I also think Byram is significantly better than Schnieder.

Would have to be a few more pieces to make this work

[Flashsabre]

25 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think the Rangers would have trouble paying Byram what he wants.

I also think Byram is significantly better than Schnieder.

Would have to be a few more pieces to make this work

Will Cuylle, Schneider, Rempe for Peterka and Byram

[Drag0nDan]

9 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Will Cuylle, Schneider, Rempe for Peterka and Byram

The best 2 players on this list are JJP and Byram - it also doesn't really do much to alleviate the cap issues for the rangers that limit what they can do.  They're adding the more expensive RFA's that they already are going to struggle to pay. 

Kreider has no market really, so you're either eating some money to trade him for peanuts, or buying him out.  Zibanejad's contract is all bonuses so its basically buy-out proof, and he has a full-NMC through 2030.  Panarins a free agent after this year and I'd assume he will go into free agency.  Trocheck's probably the most tradeable asset with a 12-team NTC, so probably not a target for Buffalo.  They really don't have much in the pipe though so i think they're likely kinda stuck rebuilding on the fly.  

[Flashsabre]

49 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

The best 2 players on this list are JJP and Byram - it also doesn't really do much to alleviate the cap issues for the rangers that limit what they can do.  They're adding the more expensive RFA's that they already are going to struggle to pay. 

Kreider has no market really, so you're either eating some money to trade him for peanuts, or buying him out.  Zibanejad's contract is all bonuses so its basically buy-out proof, and he has a full-NMC through 2030.  Panarins a free agent after this year and I'd assume he will go into free agency.  Trocheck's probably the most tradeable asset with a 12-team NTC, so probably not a target for Buffalo.  They really don't have much in the pipe though so i think they're likely kinda stuck rebuilding on the fly.  

Cuylle is a budding power forward that plays the game the way it should be played. Schneider gives them a big physical defensive dman that can pair with Power for years. Rempe would give them a legit heavyweight for the first time in years. It would change the makeup and culture of the team. Add a pick or prospect from the Rags to even it up. Cuylle is the exact type of forward fans are clamouring for.

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Cuylle is a budding power forward that plays the game the way it should be played. Schneider gives them a big physical defensive dman that can pair with Power for years. Rempe would give them a legit heavyweight for the first time in years. It would change the makeup and culture of the team. Add a pick or prospect from the Rags to even it up. Cuylle is the exact type of forward fans are clamouring for.

The issue with that trade is, while you've now found Power's partner, you also are back to square one in finding Dahlin's partner.  And finding a guy that can play as the 2 would seem to be a tougher hole to fill than finding the 4.

(But it does SEEM the Sabres are determined to not keep Byram, so guess that boat has already sailed, or at minimum is rigging up to set sail.)

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Cuylle is a budding power forward that plays the game the way it should be played. Schneider gives them a big physical defensive dman that can pair with Power for years. Rempe would give them a legit heavyweight for the first time in years. It would change the makeup and culture of the team. Add a pick or prospect from the Rags to even it up. Cuylle is the exact type of forward fans are clamouring for.

It's bad value though. 

Cullye Isn't as good as Peterka

Schneider lacks Byrams offense

And you take a cap dump

That trade would require idk, Rangers first in 2025 to balance. 

[Drag0nDan]

2 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Cuylle is a budding power forward that plays the game the way it should be played. Schneider gives them a big physical defensive dman that can pair with Power for years. Rempe would give them a legit heavyweight for the first time in years. It would change the makeup and culture of the team. Add a pick or prospect from the Rags to even it up. Cuylle is the exact type of forward fans are clamouring for.

But they can't afford Byram and JJP anyway, they also have to find money for Miller.  

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

I’ve read two different articles now how badly the Rangers need a top pairing LHD.  Bryam is the exact type of “splash” move the Rangers like to make.  
What’s causing this move to not happen?  Is Drury more likely to not trade with us because of the history of him here?  In same division?  Adams isn’t very good at trades?  
Bryam for Schnieder.  Is that close in value? 

No.  Byram for Schneider and something else.  

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

It's bad value though. 

Cullye Isn't as good as Peterka

Schneider lacks Byrams offense

And you take a cap dump

That trade would require idk, Rangers first in 2025 to balance. 

Beyond all of this - the rangers are in a cap crunch, and JJP and Byram would cost more than all 3 of these players so it doesn't really work.  

Maybe Rosen and Byram?  I'd feel like i needed to dump a bad contract like Clifton or Lafferty though.  

[Flashsabre]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It's bad value though. 

Cullye Isn't as good as Peterka

Schneider lacks Byrams offense

And you take a cap dump

That trade would require idk, Rangers first in 2025 to balance. 

To counter: In 2 years I think Cuylle is more valuable then Peterka.

Byram lacks Schneider’s defence and physicality

Rempe gives them a true enforcer.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Flashsabre said:

To counter: In 2 years I think Cuylle is more valuable then Peterka.

Byram lacks Schneider’s defence and physicality

Rempe gives them a true enforcer.

You shouldn't pay more for "future maybe better" especially when dealing from a position of strength. Drury has to make a move, Buffalo can shop any of the guys elsewhere or keep them. 

What about Quinn and Byram for Cullye and Schieder?

[Flashsabre]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You shouldn't pay more for "future maybe better" especially when dealing from a position of strength. Drury has to make a move, Buffalo can shop any of the guys elsewhere or keep them. 

What about Quinn and Byram for Cullye and Schieder?

I’d do that in a second if the Rags would.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Flashsabre said:

I’d do that in a second if the Rags would.

Could add a sweetener from Buffalo if needed. Bryson, bye buddy

[dudacek]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It's bad value though. 

Cullye Isn't as good as Peterka

Schneider lacks Byrams offense

And you take a cap dump

That trade would require idk, Rangers first in 2025 to balance. 

I think Cuylle and Schneider simply do not have Peterka’s upside.

Those two for Peterka and cap space is more fair value. 

Maybe add Clifton and a prospect for Kreider?

6 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

But they can't afford Byram and JJP anyway, they also have to find money for Miller.  

Miller is the guy the Rangers will be shopping, rather than Schneider.

Ive never seen a trade like this, but what do we think of Miller and Schnieder for Samuelsson and Byram?

[Pimlach]

On 5/14/2025 at 6:53 AM, Jorcus said:

 

I don't agree with this. In my view everything the Avs have done for the last 2 years is to try to win now at the expense of the future except in the case of Miko where their hands were tied. Last year they were desperate need for a 2 C so they traded a good asset for Mitt's. At that time and place neither team knew for certain what the next contract talks for either player would be. Mitts played pretty well and got the 3x 5.75. It could have been more if he had a great playoff run. We still don't know what Byram is going to get paid or by who. Assuming he gets no giant offer sheet a bridge contract is possible at something only a bit higher than what Mitts got. No matter what, I don't see how the Avs knew what that would be a year ago.

In the meantime the Avs have dealt about every asset they have to try and win now. They only have a 4th and 7th pick this year. They do not have a 1,2 or3 next year. With Landeskog coming back they are over the cap with 6 UFA contracts. I don't blame them for what they tried to do. When you have 2 great players in their prime you have to go all out to support them. 2 years in a row they lost to the Stars in game 7's that could have gone either way. If they got past them either year maybe they could have another cup. It's a different team in a different place than the Sabres. It's hard to turn over that many players during the season and play as a unit. They are going to have a tough off season, but what ever they do it will be for the now in expense of the future because of the high end players they have in their prime.  

McKinnon and Maker will keep them in contention.    They can re-tool for a year or two.  I don't see them slipping into the bottom half of the league with the core that they have.  

[Ogelthorpe]

Sabres past practice the return for Byram will be less then what KA gave up for him.