Buffalo Bills 2025 Thread

[calti]

3 minutes ago, Eleven said:

So did the other 31 teams.  He played his last NFL game as a Buffalo Bill.

Criticism is more fairly directed at letting Diggs go, trading Worthy to the Chieves, and failing to address the WR position (other than Amari Cooper) in a meaningful way.  Indeed, it's like this:  Beane:Wide Receiver :: Adams:Goaltender

.Beasely was always open.  31 other teams didnt pick him up cuz he was about 35 at the end there. He was still effective at the end.

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Yes, he is.  And the Bills gave him to their biggest conference rival.  I know you don't like him, and I suspect that derives from wanting the Bills to be "right" on that trade.  But he is good and the Bills weren't right.

What? No the Bills were dumb to trade down but Worthy isn't good. He's got 1 game over 60yrds and 1td this year. He wasn't the receiver Buffalo needed. 

You wanted him, you think he's good, but he's not. 

[calti]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Yes.  I’ve been hearing it.  

who do you bring in?   You fire Beane and you hire who?   And this is Terry Pegula doing the hiring.  Let’s remember that.  

Since 1960 the Bills have had maybe 3 or 4 good GMs.  

True.  

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

You can't keep guys around who aren't good enough because you are scared of the alternatives.   

Who are the GM candidates out there?   I guess they can look at up and coming AGMs from other successful teams like the Eagles, Rams, etc. 

Again, you want to trust Terry to do this?  

[Crusader1969]

Just now, Pimlach said:

Who are the GM candidates out there?   I guess they can look at up and coming AGMs from other successful teams like the Eagles, Rams, etc. 

Again, you want to trust Terry to do this?  

I trust that Beane / McDermott combo cannot get the team over the finish line.  
that's all I need to trust.  
 

 

[Taro T]

23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

What? No the Bills were dumb to trade down but Worthy isn't good. He's got 1 game over 60yrds and 1td this year. He wasn't the receiver Buffalo needed. 

You wanted him, you think he's good, but he's not. 

IF the Bills were sold on Coleman as being the best choice at that point in the draft, trading down was smart.  They got the guy they wanted and better draft capital.  Worthy would be useless on this team as they'd use him the way they used McKenzie and about as often.

Now, whether Coleman should've been the choice can be debated, but trading down wasn't dumb UNLESS they were going to take Worthy with the pick (which would've been dumb IMHO).  The Chefs would've just moved up to the spot right behind us to get him anyhow.  Makes sense for the Bills to have gotten something for letting the inevitable happen.

[Eleven]

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

IF the Bills were sold on Coleman as being the best choice at that point in the draft, trading down was smart.  They got the guy they wanted and better draft capital.  Worthy would be useless on this team as they'd use him the way they used McKenzie and about as often.

Now, whether Coleman should've been the choice can be debated, but trading down wasn't dumb UNLESS they were going to take Worthy with the pick (which would've been dumb IMHO).  The Chefs would've just moved up to the spot right behind us to get him anyhow.  Makes sense for the Bills to have gotten something for letting the inevitable happen.

They needed a guy who can streak downfield and instead traded that guy to their rival and THEN took a guy who cannot streak downfield.

Then, this past year, apparently McDermott was asking Beane for help at WR, and ... well, we know the rest.

I would vote no confidence in Beane in a hot second.  McDermott, on the other hand, seems to have improved on his late-game strategy, clock management, and replay calls.  I had wanted him gone, but I'm ok with him staying now.

[inkman]

Eh. At least they aren’t the Sabres 

[Pimlach]

53 minutes ago, calti said:

Beasley was uncoverable .A tremendous weapon. But of course the Bills knew better. 

 

Beasley was excellent while he lasted but his career was finished when the Bills released him.  

45 minutes ago, Eleven said:

So did the other 31 teams.  He played his last NFL game as a Buffalo Bill.

Criticism is more fairly directed at letting Diggs go, trading Worthy to the Chieves, and failing to address the WR position (other than Amari Cooper) in a meaningful way.  Indeed, it's like this:  Beane:Wide Receiver :: Adams:Goaltender

Agree in part.  Diggs leaving was needed because he became a major distraction, but not replacing his skill and production is the biggest black mark on Beane.  

44 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Worthy isn't good. 

 

Both Worthy and Coleman have flaws.

Worthy was the fastest guy in the draft and was the logical next pick IMO.  He has game breaking speed but he is physically limited. He is not a proto-type #1 but he fits into a team that can use a gadget type weapon and a team that needs speed (i.e., the Bills fit this description more than the Chiefs did).  

Coleman was also very much a reach player.  He converted from basketball to football.  Coleman is a great athlete that lacks top end speed.  The Bills thought his 40 times were hampered by his inability to start fast out of the blocks, and they thought he still had really good game speed.  Because of this they thought Coleman could be a legit #1, a diamond in the rough.   So far Coleman looks like a player with only borderline game speed, and he cannot yet overcome that with the precise route running needed to get open.   For the most part he has been easy to cover and ineffective for the number of snaps he gets. 

Drafting a guy for jumping ability and getting "contested" balls is a luxury the Bills did not have.  Contested balls are low percentage plays.  Speed kills on any down. 

I would have taken Worthy.   I think Andy Reid made the better choice.  

42 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Yes, he is.  And the Bills gave him to their biggest conference rival.  I know you don't like him, and I suspect that derives from wanting the Bills to be "right" on that trade.  But he is good and the Bills weren't right.

Worthy is not a prototype #1 either but I love his speed.   He plays in an offense loaded with talent and innovation, that helps his game a lot.  

Coleman and Worthy each have flaws and are niche receivers.  

The Bills are banking that Coleman can improve route running because he is not going to get faster or more elusive. Right now Coleman is looking like a #3, not a top 2 on a good team.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Pimlach

[LGR4GM]

Hey look, I found an offensive coordinator 

 

 

[Scottysabres]

27 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I trust that Beane / McDermott combo cannot get the team over the finish line.  
that's all I need to trust.  
 

 

This is where many are at. They have proven they cannot get the job done, and as many tell me, they do it in spectacular fashion.

My personal take, I do not believe this GM and Coach tandem can get us to Super Bowl victory. But my view means nothing, Pegula is the only one that matters. If change is done, better to do it now then allow this tandem to continue any decision making personnel wise going forward. That is of course, just my opinion.

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, Eleven said:

They needed a guy who can streak downfield and instead traded that guy to their rival and THEN took a guy who cannot streak downfield.

Then, this past year, apparently McDermott was asking Beane for help at WR, and ... well, we know the rest.

I would vote no confidence in Beane in a hot second.  McDermott, on the other hand, seems to have improved on his late-game strategy, clock management, and replay calls.  I had wanted him gone, but I'm ok with him staying now.

You HONESTLY expect they'd use Worthy the way the Chefs use him?  Will respectfully agree to disagree.

[Eleven]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Hey look, I found an offensive coordinator 

 

 

I'll take it.

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

You HONESTLY expect they'd use Worthy the way the Chefs use him?  Will respectfully agree to disagree.

No, I think they'd use him better than the Chieves use him.

Edited 3 hours ago by Eleven

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

You HONESTLY expect they'd use Worthy the way the Chefs use him?  Will respectfully agree to disagree.

Prior to Brady running the offense the Bills used McKenzie in a similar way that the Chiefs use Worthy, only Worthy is a starting WR now and McKenzie was a 3/4.  

I am getting tired of Brady more than McDermott.  

In almost every era of the AFL/NFL the Bills have had some really great WRs.  Except for now, when we finally have a great QB.  

 

[MISabresFan]

2 hours ago, calti said:

True.  

KA

[TheAud]

3 hours ago, calti said:

I didnt say Josh is THE problem.   But there are QBs who have done better with avg WCs. I would like to see Josh control the play calling more.

Look at Kelly .

 

He won the MVP with basically the same set of receivers last year. That was pretty good with an average group. 

I hear you on the play calling but the K-Gun and Kelly calling plays is really an artifact of a bygone era.