Sabres add Zach Redmond to Development Staff

[Brawndo]

 

[dudacek]

Guess Redmond is Paestch’s replacement.

[msw2112]

They've had some success with gritty former players in these roles.

Edited August 10, 2023 by msw2112

[Doohickie]

On 8/9/2023 at 1:40 PM, msw2112 said:

They've had some success with gritty former players in these roles.

They've had some success with players who couldn't get by on talent alone and had to develop the work ethic to develop their skills.

[MattPie]

14 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

They've had some success with players who couldn't get by on talent alone and had to develop the work ethic to develop their skills.

And received a lot of coaching in the process, rather then just "well, just know where everyone is on the ice and where they're headed and exploit the gap they don't  know they're about to leave".

[PerreaultForever]

Hope he's a better coach than he was a player. 

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Hope he's a better coach than he was a player. 

I don't have to tell a veteran fan like you how many great coaches over the years were borderline NHL players, or less.  You just never know.  

Looking at the 2022-23 Stanley Cup coaches:

Paul Maurice - never played pro hockey

Bruce Cassidy - 36 NHL games, he was a minor league player like Redmond

[MattPie]

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

I don't have to tell a veteran fan like you how many great coaches over the years were borderline NHL players, or less.  You just never know.  

Looking at the 2022-23 Stanley Cup coaches:

Paul Maurice - never played pro hockey

Bruce Cassidy - 36 NHL games, he was a minor league player like Redmond

Don't forget Disco Dan Bylsma.

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I don't have to tell a veteran fan like you how many great coaches over the years were borderline NHL players, or less.  You just never know.  

Looking at the 2022-23 Stanley Cup coaches:

Paul Maurice - never played pro hockey

Bruce Cassidy - 36 NHL games, he was a minor league player like Redmond

Absolutely true. I believe the theory is that fringe and journeymen players get kicked around from team to team so they see more coaches and learn from them and they work harder and try to learn so they know a lot, they just don't have the skills to do it themselves at the time. 

The question is experience though. We don't have a great track record hiring new guys. 

[dudacek]

9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Absolutely true. I believe the theory is that fringe and journeymen players get kicked around from team to team so they see more coaches and learn from them and they work harder and try to learn so they know a lot, they just don't have the skills to do it themselves at the time. 

The question is experience though. We don't have a great track record hiring new guys. 

By "we" do you mean Adams?

[PerreaultForever]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

By "we" do you mean Adams?

I mean the Sabres. You know that. 

[dudacek]

27 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I mean the Sabres. You know that. 

Then "the Sabres" is pretty irrelevant, no?

The guys Adams has hired have been poached (Weber, Peca), interviewed for GM positions (Karmanos, Ventura) and/or so far, so good (Granato, Appert, the scouts and development coaches)

In the high-turnover world of professional sports that's hardly a questionable record.

Edited August 11, 2023 by dudacek

[PerreaultForever]

18 hours ago, dudacek said:

Then "the Sabres" is pretty irrelevant, no?

The guys Adams has hired have been poached (Weber, Peca), interviewed for GM positions (Karmanos, Ventura) and/or so far, so good (Granato, Appert, the scouts and development coaches)

In the high-turnover world of professional sports that's hardly a questionable record.

That's all fine, and you're a clean slate guy, I get it. Adams day 1 and forward and forget the past. Perhaps a healthy approach. 

Myself, I can't separate any of it. I'm still waiting for the constant thrill and glory of the French Connection era that brought me to this team. I'm just hoping I get something like that before I die of old age. 

[pastajoe]

23 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Hope he's a better coach than he was a player. 

Redmond won the AHL Eddie Shore outstanding defenseman award in 2018-19, so he must have had some skill.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, pastajoe said:

Redmond won the AHL Eddie Shore outstanding defenseman award in 2018-19, so he must have had some skill.

A-HL. 

[Doohickie]

On 8/10/2023 at 4:42 PM, Pimlach said:

I don't have to tell a veteran fan like you how many great coaches over the years were borderline NHL players, or less.  You just never know.  

Looking at the 2022-23 Stanley Cup coaches:

Paul Maurice - never played pro hockey

Bruce Cassidy - 36 NHL games, he was a minor league player like Redmond

Scotty Bowman whose playing career ended with a fractured skull in junior hockey... one of the all-time coaching greats.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Those you can play.  Those who can’t teach.

PS: DG’s playing career ended with a two year stint in the ECHL.  He played 4 years at Wisconsin  and won a National Championship there. 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Those you can play.  Those who can’t teach.

PS: DG’s playing career ended with a two year stint in the ECHL.  He played 4 years at Wisconsin  and won a National Championship there. 

There are some who can play and coach at the NHL level.  Lindy Ruff, Brind’Amour, Berube, St Louis, and Tochett come to mind.  

[Doohickie]

On 8/12/2023 at 9:56 AM, Pimlach said:

There are some who can play and coach at the NHL level.  Lindy Ruff, Brind’Amour, Berube, St Louis, and Tochett come to mind.  

Head coaching a team is different from being a developmental coach.  Some can do both, some can't. 

Redmond has been tapped to develop young players.  For such a job I think it's conceivable that he will be better that than someone like Patrick Kane or Sydney Crosby or Connor McDavid or Wayne Gretzky... guys who were always better than the rest of the players on the ice.  I'm not saying they don't/didn't work to elevate their games, but they didn't have to work as hard to get the results they wanted.  This is why a Matt Ellis or Nathan Paetsch or Zach Redmond can be a good coach:  They had to bring out abilities that weren't naturally there based on talent alone.

[Pimlach]

21 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

Head coaching a team is different from being a developmental coach.  Some can do both, some can't. 

Redmond has been tapped to develop young players.  For such a job I think it's conceivable that he will be better that than someone like Patrick Kane or Sydney Crosby or Connor McDavid or Wayne Gretzky... guys who were always better than the rest of the players on the ice.  I'm not saying they don't/didn't work to elevate their games, but they didn't have to work as hard to get the results they wanted.  This is why a Matt Ellis or Nathan Paetsch or Zach Redmond can be a good coach:  They had to bring out abilities that weren't naturally there based on talent alone.

Being a developmental coach is a stepping stone job.  Mike Peca was a developmental coach for the caps before he was tapped to be assistant coach for AHL Rochester, now he is assistant coach in NHL.   

Redmond will be a specialist for defense and will spend time with our prospects in Europe.  He has a long way to go but you never know.