sabresparaavida Posted August 6, 2023 Report Share Posted August 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: Haven’t seen the list, but I’m guessing there are at least a couple in the top 10 I’d rank him higher than. 1. McDavid 2. McKinnon 3. Draisaitl 4. Matthews 5. Crosby 6. Hughes 7. Point 8. Eichel 9. Barkov 10. Pettersson Only ones that I feel are reasonable to question are Eichel, Barkov and Pettersson, but Eichel won the cup last year, Pettersson broke 100 points, and Barkov has been pretty damn good for a while and plays a more complete game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 1 hour ago, sabresparaavida said: 1. McDavid 2. McKinnon 3. Draisaitl 4. Matthews 5. Crosby 6. Hughes 7. Point 8. Eichel 9. Barkov 10. Pettersson Only ones that I feel are reasonable to question are Eichel, Barkov and Pettersson, but Eichel won the cup last year, Pettersson broke 100 points, and Barkov has been pretty damn good for a while and plays a more complete game. Like I suspected, there are at least a couple I’d put Thompson ahead of, but I’m sure that’s just my intolerable and biased optimistic outlook on the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 1 hour ago, sabresparaavida said: 1. McDavid 2. McKinnon 3. Draisaitl 4. Matthews 5. Crosby 6. Hughes 7. Point 8. Eichel 9. Barkov 10. Pettersson Only ones that I feel are reasonable to question are Eichel, Barkov and Pettersson, but Eichel won the cup last year, Pettersson broke 100 points, and Barkov has been pretty damn good for a while and plays a more complete game. Barbashev won the cup too, so is he a better center than Thompson as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Barbashev won the cup too, so is he a better center than Thompson as well? Rightly or wrongly, (ie, small sample size bias may apply) current perception was swayed heavily by Jack’s performance in the playoffs and make no mistake, it was electric. Had arguably the best playoffs of any player being truly dominant at both ends of the ice, during the most critical time you’d want a guy to do it, against EXTREME physicality (we all saw the Tkachuk hit) which actually minimizes the sample season concern. Look, I’m the Jack guy. But even I was impressed. I take 2023 playoffs Eichel if I want to win 1 game before I take the Thompson is saw this past year, and he was indeed great ymmv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, Thorny said: Rightly or wrongly, (ie, small sample size bias may apply) current perception was swayed heavily by Jack’s performance in the playoffs and make no mistake, it was electric. Had arguably the best playoffs of any player being truly dominant at both ends of the ice, during the most critical time you’d want a guy to do it, against EXTREME physicality (we all saw the Tkachuk hit) which actually minimizes the sample season concern. Look, I’m the Jack guy. But even I was impressed. I take 2023 playoffs Eichel if I want to win 1 game before I take the Thompson is saw this past year, and he was indeed great ymmv His position on Eichel was that the cup win tips the scales, but that's not how you evaluate players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: His position on Eichel was that the cup win tips the scales, but that's not how you evaluate players Ya championships are super, at least often overrated in determining the greats I think Considering it’s a team accomplishment. ESPECIALLY in something like hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 8/6/2023 at 9:57 PM, Randall Flagg said: Barbashev won the cup too, so is he a better center than Thompson as well? Was Barbashev the 1C on his cup team? I didn’t say I completely agreed with the list, I think Eichel should be down a couple spots, but i definitely don’t think it’s too far off. Thompson is more dangerous offensively, mainly when it comes to scoring goals. However, Eichel this year played much better in his own zone than Thompson did, which balances the scales some. He also was an elite playoff performer, and came in 2nd for the Conn Smythe in his first playoff appearance. I think it’s reasonable to put Eichel ahead of Tage, but I wouldn’t call you crazy for the reverse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 hours ago, sabresparaavida said: Was Barbashev the 1C on his cup team? I didn’t say I completely agreed with the list, I think Eichel should be down a couple spots, but i definitely don’t think it’s too far off. Thompson is more dangerous offensively, mainly when it comes to scoring goals. However, Eichel this year played much better in his own zone than Thompson did, which balances the scales some. He also was an elite playoff performer, and came in 2nd for the Conn Smythe in his first playoff appearance. I think it’s reasonable to put Eichel ahead of Tage, but I wouldn’t call you crazy for the reverse. Wait a second, I have been told numerous times on this board the Sabres are totally screwed because they don't have more guys with playoff experience in their top 6 but you are telling me Jack Eichel in his first playoffs was really good!?! Without prior experience? How can that be? All joking aside, idk who is better. Tage and Jack play differently so it is a hard comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pimlach Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 I think TNT is gonna dominate this season. He is going to be a year stronger and smarter and will better utilize his size and reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/6/2023 at 7:59 PM, sabresparaavida said: 1. McDavid 2. McKinnon 3. Draisaitl 4. Matthews 5. Crosby 6. Hughes 7. Point 8. Eichel 9. Barkov 10. Pettersson Only ones that I feel are reasonable to question are Eichel, Barkov and Pettersson, but Eichel won the cup last year, Pettersson broke 100 points, and Barkov has been pretty damn good for a while and plays a more complete game. Patterson I think is the most underrated star in the league right now. When I watch him play I see an elite talent that is on the border of getting into the mvp conversation very soon. I really think he's that good. If healthy, Thompson Can be in the conversation to place anywhere outside of the top two or three in that list. IF fully healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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