Buffalonill Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 People can't lie to me saying they didn't think Zemgus was a core Piece for this franchise I've never seen a fanbase Declare someone a superstar and captain before his first season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: People can't lie to me saying they didn't think Zemgus was a core Piece for this franchise I've never seen a fanbase Declare someone a superstar and captain before his first season No one declared Zemgus that before his first season. He had 30 points in 60 games as a Sophomore and it appeared he was going to keep growing but he did not and expectations were quickly adjusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: No one declared Zemgus that before his first season. He had 30 points in 60 games as a Sophomore and it appeared he was going to keep growing but he did not and expectations were quickly adjusted. https://twointhebox.com/2014/04/20/who-is-the-next-captain-of-the-sabres/ Some good ones here https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/c-lw-zemgus-girgensons-2012-14th-overall-buffalo.974918/page-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Matt Beniers finished his first NCAA season with a +21 Sold. Still room on the Team Beniers bandwagon? Oh wait, Power was a +18.... nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalonill said: He will never see 70 points thats some hopeful thinking. Beniers is not Tkachuk. 60s in points is way above average. way way above 1 hour ago, Buffalonill said: He is average he's not going to be a superstar he's going to top out at scott laughton with better D with a A on his chest Sure whats the bet I don't agree with this at all, but your comparisons are so well chosen because they are so specific lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, Thorny said: 60s in points is way above average. way way above I said 45 points i see hecht like career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Dies anybody have a list of point per game college freshman forwards who were selected near the top of the draft the past 10 years or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: People can't lie to me saying they didn't think Zemgus was a core Piece for this franchise I've never seen a fanbase Declare someone a superstar and captain before his first season People did see Zemgus as a potential toews-light when he was shiny and new and a first round pick, I can confirm this. Not everyone, but it came up 15 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Sold. Still room on the Team Beniers bandwagon? Oh wait, Power was a +18.... nevermind. You and I both know plus minus is irrelevant. Give me the TRPM, please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: I said 45 points i see hecht like career Is that your ceiling or floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, pi2000 said: Dies anybody have a list of point per game college freshman forwards who were selected near the top of the draft the past 10 years or so? Both eliteprospects.com and pick224.com would likely answer your question, pick224 separates data more for each player, eliteprospects would have the 10 years or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, Thorny said: Is that your ceiling or floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 54 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Dies anybody have a list of point per game college freshman forwards who were selected near the top of the draft the past 10 years or so? Freshmen forwards, or players in their draft year? I only ask because I know that for NCAA players in their draft year, Beniers has produced more than anyone since Eichel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Curt said: Freshmen forwards, or players in their draft year? I only ask because I know that for NCAA players in their draft year, Beniers has produced more than anyone since Eichel. ...and Kent Johnson 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Surprisingly there have only been 5 forwards drafted in the top 15 between 2008-2018 coming off their freshman college season. These kids played as true freshman which is a rarity these days. points per game their freshman season: Colin Wilson 0.95 Jaden Schwartz 1.57 Jack Eichel 1.78 Luke Kunin 0.94 Brady Tkachuk 0.78 Beniers 1.0 Beniers' production is comparable to Colin Wilson and Luke Kunin, both centers... Wilson at BU (Hockey East) and Kunin in the Big10 same as Beniers. Wilson has averaged around 30-40 points/season in his NHL career. Luke Kunin 31 points in 63 games in 2019-20. 19 points in 31 games this past season.... which is around 50 points in a full season. This is probably Beniers middle ground.... is that #1 OA worthy? IDK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, pi2000 said: ...and Kent Johnson 🙂 You have any idea how many 2nd assists Kent Johnson has? 14. 14 of his 18 assists are secondary assists. Matthew Beniers has 5 secondary assists out of 14. He also has 10 goals compared to Johnson's 9 but please ppl keep telling me how much Beniers sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 One of the interesting things from the Will Scouch Interview was when it was mentioned the Beniers does not do anything elite, but he does do everything exceptional. In Draft with no players with truly elite skills, He is the best choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Surprisingly there have only been 5 forwards drafted in the top 15 between 2008-2018 coming off their freshman college season. These kids played as true freshman which is a rarity these days. points per game their freshman season: Colin Wilson 0.95 Jaden Schwartz 1.57 Jack Eichel 1.78 Luke Kunin 0.94 Brady Tkachuk 0.78 Beniers 1.0 Beniers' production is comparable to Colin Wilson and Luke Kunin, both centers... Wilson at BU (Hockey East) and Kunin in the Big10 same as Beniers. Wilson has averaged around 30-40 points/season in his NHL career. Luke Kunin 31 points in 63 games in 2019-20. 19 points in 31 games this past season.... which is around 50 points in a full season. This is probably Beniers middle ground.... is that #1 OA worthy? IDK. ***** I wish I had gone through and noted Beniers primary points and compared to recently drafted NCAA players in their draft year or D+1 year. That might have been helpful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Now that I have thrown my support to Beniers, I consider that to be the kiss of death, and almost a guarantee that the Sabres will draft Austin Power(s) instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Brawndo said: One of the interesting things from the Will Scouch Interview was when it was mentioned the Beniers does not do anything elite, but he does do everything exceptional. In Draft with no players with truly elite skills, He is the best choice. Boy, did the Scouch session ever put the fear of god into a Power pick. Has me thinking he's Mike Wilson... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Boy, did the Scouch session ever put the fear of god into a Power pick. Has me thinking he's Mike Wilson... I’d rather it put the fear of god into Adams! 😈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, dudacek said: Boy, did the Scouch session ever put the fear of god into a Power pick. Has me thinking he's Mike Wilson... Power will be a good player and His desire to return to Michigan will be very beneficial to him. The Sabres need Beniers though. Scouch is very interesting to listen to regarding the draft and how he breaks down prospects. And teams they have been more successful in drafting utilize similar scouting methods pulling analytics into Their analysis. That’s why Carolina and Tampa are so successful in drafting. The Sabres should utilize this as well Edited June 11, 2021 by Brawndo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 hours ago, dudacek said: Boy, did the Scouch session ever put the fear of god into a Power pick. Has me thinking he's Mike Wilson... Who is Mike Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Curt said: Who is Mike Wilson? Oh, you whippersnappers....😜 He was the prize prospect in the Mogilny trade, the epitome of a player overdrafted for his size and skating ability but lacking the edge and the processor to match. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=18626 Edited June 11, 2021 by dudacek 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Scouting report. His transition numbers are noted in here. https://www.allaboutthejersey.com/2021/6/6/22520890/matthew-beniers-a-quick-rising-forward-with-strong-defensive-skills-toews-bergeron-comparison-nico Edited June 13, 2021 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 Matthew Beniers might remind Devils fans of Nico Hischier - and he reminds prospect writers of players like Patrice Bergeron and Jonathan Toews Anyone remember when Girgensons was the next Toews? I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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