Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 I really like the Kings and the style they play(ed?), but they have roster issues now and as GED pointed out they will not be able to play that way much longer. Anyway, I prefer the Hawks model, as they have won more cups and had even more cusps (hi, PA) than LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 I don't have a good answer for why there'd be a disconnect, but I am quite confident the roster assembled is not a good fit for what Bylsma wants to do. Could also be poor personnel choices, or lack of available "right" personnel. But I don't like the fit. Hell, we were apparently prepared to pay Stamkos over $10 million per, and he clearly doesn't fit the way Bylsma wants to play. Do you believe we have a roster capable of winning in the current NHL? Meaning the answer is just for Bylsma to adjust his system (unlikely), or he needs to be fired? Or do you believe there is a fatal flaw in the actual roster assembled, regardless of the system they are being asked to play? Saw your post in the other thread referencing Detroit, pretty much answered my question :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Do you believe we have a roster capable of winning in the current NHL? Meaning the answer is just for Bylsma to adjust his system (unlikely), or he needs to be fired? Or do you believe there is a fatal flaw in the actual roster assembled, regardless of the system they are being asked to play? Saw your post in the other thread referencing Detroit, pretty much answered my question :lol: Yea, I mean, I'm obviously still very concerned with the defense corps as constructed, but I think the forward group (when healthy) is definitely good enough to get to the playoffs and maybe even pull off an upset...if it were being utilized differently. I do think Bylsma needs to be fired before this team has any real playoff success. For all of the talk about how he did a scout of all teams during his year off, he's doing the exact same things wrong he did in Pittsburgh. Nothing was fixed. I just don't have any confidence he's going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) Agreed on the defence, fully. Undecided on Bylsma but leaning your way. I do however think that the forwards we've assembled would be capable, in a couple years, of hopefully more than just an upset. But maybe you were just referring to this season. Edited October 15, 2016 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Agreed on the defence, fully. Undecided on Bylsma but leaning your way. I do however think that the forwards we've assembled would be capable, in a couple years, of hopefully more than just an upset. But maybe you were just referring to this season. Yea I was just referring to this season on the upset front :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Yea I was just referring to this season on the upset front :) The reason we may not be able to test that upset theory this season may fall to your viewpoint on GMTM failing to improve the forward depth in the offseason, especially now that we (again) have the injury bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 There are too many weak links in the current roster for this lineup to have a chance of competing for a WC berth. The only good players are Eichel, Okposo (and of course he's a great unknown on this team at this point), Reinhart, and potentially Girgensons. Just about everyone else is hot garbage. A lot of teams have D's that make a real offensive contribution - but based on past results within Bylsma's system, I doubt we'll ever see that from Gorges(2 goals last year) or Bogo(7 goals last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 ROR WILL BE FINE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 There are too many weak links in the current roster for this lineup to have a chance of competing for a WC berth. The only good players are Eichel, Okposo (and of course he's a great unknown on this team at this point), Reinhart, and potentially Girgensons. Just about everyone else is hot garbage. A lot of teams have D's that make a real offensive contribution - but based on past results within Bylsma's system, I doubt we'll ever see that from Gorges(2 goals last year) or Bogo(7 goals last year). I'd add ROR, Larsson, Ristolainen, Kulikov, McCabe, and perhaps Ennis to this list. And Fasching is an up and comer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Hrm not sure how I feel about this. He has yet to make this team actually better This team is light years ahead of where it was when he took over IMO.. Personally I am very excited Tim is resigned... I have great faith in Tim to get us to the promise land... In fact I can safely say I haven't been this excited for Hockey in well over a decade, and it has a lot to do with Mr.Tim There are too many weak links in the current roster for this lineup to have a chance of competing for a WC berth. The only good players are Eichel, Okposo (and of course he's a great unknown on this team at this point), Reinhart, and potentially Girgensons. Just about everyone else is hot garbage. A lot of teams have D's that make a real offensive contribution - but based on past results within Bylsma's system, I doubt we'll ever see that from Gorges(2 goals last year) or Bogo(7 goals last year). This statement is ludicrous Edited October 17, 2016 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 There are too many weak links in the current roster for this lineup to have a chance of competing for a WC berth. The only good players are Eichel, Okposo (and of course he's a great unknown on this team at this point), Reinhart, and potentially Girgensons. Just about everyone else is hot garbage. A lot of teams have D's that make a real offensive contribution - but based on past results within Bylsma's system, I doubt we'll ever see that from Gorges(2 goals last year) or Bogo(7 goals last year). Did... did you forget ROR? What about Johan Larsson who is better than Zemgus. Jake McCabe has been fantastic this season thus far. This team is a long shot to be a WC team. They have a lot to make up for but, they do have talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 There are too many weak links in the current roster for this lineup to have a chance of competing for a WC berth. The only good players are Eichel, Okposo (and of course he's a great unknown on this team at this point), Reinhart, and potentially Girgensons. Just about everyone else is hot garbage. A lot of teams have D's that make a real offensive contribution - but based on past results within Bylsma's system, I doubt we'll ever see that from Gorges(2 goals last year) or Bogo(7 goals last year). As others have pointed there are a few others you are missing... but I will say this.. this team is close to, or at the point where the "hot garbage" is holding the team back rather than lack of top end talent. Any team is going to struggle when they have to trot out guys like Franson, Gorges, Girgensons, and Deslaurier for a regular shift. I'd say were maybe 2 more offseasons away from having the team GMTM envisions in his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 One thing I like that he has done is make the team tougher. This is not a pommenville Vanek team anymore it's a team with tough guys all through the line up. Even losing last night they didn't get pushed around at all and really knocked the Bruins around at times. That's a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Missing a catylist guy, Eichel was that but Sabres need another, ROR is not that guy. Fasching might get their when he grows up. They looked slow last nite compared to Bruins, especially Gorges and Franson who at best should be third pair or in Rochester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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