PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) I dare say the consensus here, and among most fans, is that Tank will be officially over once the Sabres draft McDavid or Eichel (might as well be optimistic). Then Murray is going to try and put a winning team — a playoff team, why not? — on the ice. No more messing around. Given the following, what is it exactly we are rooting for next year? Murray wants his team to be better but knows they won't be a playoff team. Sounds like what he said before this season. Why aren't we rooting for losses next season, too? Selfishly, for the Buffalo Sabres, the first three picks (in ‘16) will be part of the lottery as opposed to just the first pick,” Murray said. “We’re not going to be a Stanley Cup contender next year but I hope we’re on the way up while still having a chance to win the lottery. http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/11/tank-label-unfair-losing-to-win-not-new-concept-sabres-gm-murray Edited March 13, 2015 by @fakegorbyportwinestain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 You basterdized this all to hell, enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Thank god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Nope, not taking the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Hey, I didn't say it. Murray did. If some of you want to make this about me, fine. But address what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I love that quote. It captures my sentiment perfectly on tanking / rebuilding. The 2016 Sabres aren't a Cup contender in any way shape or form. The old Sabres would have set the playoffs as the bar, but ZFG Tim Murray has no use for the false hope, feel good squads of the Sabres past. Give me a Cup contender or give me lottery picks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) I don't think this is a troll by PA, and I think those saying that are reacting to past provocations. It's a fair question. I happen to think it has a very straightforward answer. The team's path back to respectability is likely sloped a bit like a sine curve, not like some jagged cliff. Murray seems to be saying that they will be better next year, but maybe not yet a playoff team. So, in theory, he would want the bottom teams to get the top picks, but, selfishly, realizes that next year a team (like his) that just misses out on the playoffs will also get a shot at one of the top 3 picks. TM does not think that should be the case, but allows that his team may still benefit from it. Give me a Cup contender or give me lottery picks! I don't think that's what GM TM was saying at all. Edited March 13, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Thank god. I was reacting to the quote, not PA. Murray doesn't plan on being last anymore, so, selfishly, he's good with next year's set-up — even though he's opposed idealistically. I'm glad that's his attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 we won't be the same team next year as this year IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I don't think that's what GM TM was saying at all. That was more my attitude than what I feel GMTM believes. I don't think he's implying tanking again to gain the best odds at getting a top 3 pick as PA seems to be suggesting, he's just taking a realistic view at 2016, and 2016 only, and acknowledging that the Sabres aren't going to be a playoff team much less a Cup contender so let's go with this new system and hope it turns out well for us. we won't be the same team next year as this year IMO We won't be. This year we're a bad by design. Next year we'll just be a bad team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I don't think this is a troll by PA, and I think those saying that are reacting to past provocations. It's a fair question. I happen to think it has a very straightforward answer. The team's path back to respectability is likely sloped a bit like a sine curve, not like some jagged cliff. Murray seems to be saying that they will be better next year, but maybe not yet a playoff team. So, in theory, he would want the bottom teams to get the top picks, but, selfishly, realizes that next year a team (like his) that just misses out on the playoffs will also get a shot at one of the top 3 picks. TM does not think that should be the case, but allows that his team may still benefit from it. You're softening his rhetoric. He wants to be a lottery team next year. "Lottery team" is the new DFL. According to the cold way of looking at things around here, Murray should do whatever he can to accomplish this goal, and the smart fans will be pulling for just enough losses to get there. Why make the playoffs? Short-term pain for long-term gain. The Lottery Hockey League. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Aud, I'd hate to say I told ya so...but I did tell ya ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Aud, I'd hate to say I told ya so...but I did tell ya ;) Yeah. You were spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 We won't be. This year we're a bad by design. Next year we'll just be a bad team. I don't see how you can possibly separate the design of a team from the explicit, expressed goal of that team's general manager. ZFG? Great. Then Murray should design a non-playoff team. The problem is what if that team overachieves and is on the playoff bubble come next February? Is there more roster manipulation to get worse? Should fans root for losses again, to avoid that awful fate of playing well into April and maybe May? We're down the rabbit hole here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Aud, I'd hate to say I told ya so...but I did tell ya ;) Amazing how this s### still works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Aud, I'd hate to say I told ya so...but I did tell ya ;) It's OK. You can bop me on the nose instead of Tim. I know you don't like what Tim said, but you won't admit it. No one should like it. It's an affront. It's disgusting. But... let the great SabreSpace Backtracking begin, in the fine tradition of this board. Amazing how this s### still works. Talking to me? I'm the problem? The GM just said he wants his team to miss the playoffs again next year, and I'm the villain? Edited March 13, 2015 by @fakegorbyportwinestain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Murray doesn't plan on being last anymore, so, selfishly, he's good with next year's set-up — even though he's opposed idealistically. I'm glad that's his attitude. Yup. That was more my attitude than what I feel GMTM believes. I don't think he's implying tanking again to gain the best odds at getting a top 3 pick as PA seems to be suggesting, he's just taking a realistic view at 2016, and 2016 only, and acknowledging that the Sabres aren't going to be a playoff team much less a Cup contender so let's go with this new system and hope it turns out well for us. We won't be. This year we're a bad by design. Next year we'll just be a bad team. Gotcha - sorry. And agreed. You're softening his rhetoric. He wants to be a lottery team next year. "Lottery team" is the new DFL. According to the cold way of looking at things around here, Murray should do whatever he can to accomplish this goal, and the smart fans will be pulling for just enough losses to get there. Why make the playoffs? Short-term pain for long-term gain. The Lottery Hockey League. Enjoy. Where did he say he wants to be a lottery team next year? Please point to the specific language. Oh, and DAMMIT ALL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU Aud, I'd hate to say I told ya so...but I did tell ya ;) DAMMIT! I don't see how you can possibly separate the design of a team from the explicit, expressed goal of that team's general manager. ZFG? Great. Then Murray should design a non-playoff team. The problem is what if that team overachieves and is on the playoff bubble come next February? Is there more roster manipulation to get worse? Should fans root for losses again, to avoid that awful fate of playing well into April and maybe May? We're down the rabbit hole here. I can't decide whether this is nonsense or non-sensical. See what I get for defending your ability to proffer a good faith question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 It's OK. You can bop me on the nose instead of Tim. I know you don't like what Tim said, but you won't admit it. No one should like it. It's an affront. It's disgusting. But... let the great SabreSpace Backtracking begin, in the fine tradition of this board. Talking to me? I'm the problem? The GM just said he wants his team to miss the playoffs again next year, and I'm the villain? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) It's OK. You can bop me on the nose instead of Tim. I know you don't like what Tim said, but you won't admit it. No one should like it. It's an affront. It's disgusting. But... let the great SabreSpace Backtracking begin, in the fine tradition of this board. Talking to me? I'm the problem? The GM just said he wants his team to miss the playoffs again next year, and I'm the villain? If you play/show those quotes to 100 high school educated people, 90+ will come away with what the consensus here is: He doesn't want to be a non-playoff team next year, he just recognizes that, in the process of getting better, the team probably will fall a bit short. It's a process, dude. Becoming a contender takes some time -- it's not a "just add McEichel" recipe. Your understanding of what he's saying is (*sigh*) a distortion of the language's plain meaning. Edited March 13, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 It's OK. You can bop me on the nose instead of Tim. I know you don't like what Tim said, but you won't admit it. No one should like it. It's an affront. It's disgusting. But... let the great SabreSpace Backtracking begin, in the fine tradition of this board. Talking to me? I'm the problem? The GM just said he wants his team to miss the playoffs again next year, and I'm the villain? As is the fine tradition of your nonsense. You take one quote from an article, label it "rhetoric" and then extrapolate it out to be the philosophy of GMTM to be set in stone going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I don't see how you can possibly separate the design of a team from the explicit, expressed goal of that team's general manager. ZFG? Great. Then Murray should design a non-playoff team. The problem is what if that team overachieves and is on the playoff bubble come next February? Is there more roster manipulation to get worse? Should fans root for losses again, to avoid that awful fate of playing well into April and maybe May? We're down the rabbit hole here. I don't think you see Murray signing players like the Mess and Balls this offseason. I don't think you see him ship out his two starting goalies who are playing well next season. These were clearly tank moves by design and those types of moves are no longer on the table IMO. If a miracle happens and they are on the bubble at the deadline, then yes I'd expect him to make some moves to acquire guys to help with the playoff push, but not at the risk of screwing up the pipeline we have built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm not going to copy and paste the quote again. Nice mental and semantic gymnastics though. Murray doesn't want to be a non-playoff team next year, but he hopes they are. Super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 If you play/show those quotes to 100 high school educated people, 90+ will come away with what the consensus here is: He doesn't want to be a non-playoff team next year, he just recognizes that, in the process of getting better, the team probably will fall a bit short. It's a process, dude. Becoming a contender takes some time -- it's not a "just add McEichel" recipe. Your understanding of what he's saying is (*sigh*) a distortion of the language's plain meaning. Yes it is, and those kind of posts are detrimental to the overall flow and feel of this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yes it is, and those kind of posts are detrimental to the overall flow and feel of this board. This board is a shitshow. Don't blame me for that. Blame Terry — and Taro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 This board is a ###### shitshow. Don't blame me for that. Blame Terry — and Taro. No, it has a great deal to do with you. The type who posts crap taken way out of context and then goes " who meeeeee?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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