LastPommerFan Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Why can't we have Harbor Center/buy the Bills AND Cup Pegula? Because reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Why can't we have Harbor Center/buy the Bills AND Cup Pegula? No reason. I'm not optimistic about it, to say the least. The either/or seemed to be suggested by the OP's "some things transcend the Cup" comment. It sure would be interesting to go back in time to Feb. 22, 2011 and ask everyone here if they would be happy with a basement dwelling team in four years — but, oh yeah, this guy buys the Bills and builds a donut shop (attached to some other stuff) downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) No reason. I'm not optimistic about it, to say the least. The either/or seemed to be suggested by the OP's "some things transcend the Cup" comment. It sure would be interesting to go back in time to Feb. 22, 2011 and ask everyone here if they would be happy with a basement dwelling team in four years — but, oh yeah, this guy buys the Bills and builds a donut shop (attached to some other stuff) downtown. The either/or is not what I meant to suggest at all. What I meant was that even if he never ends up winning a cup or a superbowl, Pegula still will have done something for the city of Buffalo that far surpasses both. By light years. Edited December 12, 2014 by K-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Oh, OK. So of two Pegulas, you'd rather have the Harbor Center/buy the Bills/no Cup Terry than the physically distant/emotionally distant/Stanley Cup Terry (think Golisano-ish). Would I rather the city of Buffalo both keep the Bills and have a revitalized downtown with thousands of new jobs (which may very well be the ultimate result of TP's efforts) than the Sabres win a Cup? Yes. Do you still think TP is going to have the Bills playing a game in Toronto every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Would I rather the city of Buffalo both keep the Bills and have a revitalized downtown with thousands of new jobs (which may very well be the ultimate result of TP's efforts) than the Sabres win a Cup? Yes. Do you still think TP is going to have the Bills playing a game in Toronto every year? I never thought that. And thousands of new jobs from the Harbor Center? Hasn't it been pretty well established that sports franchises don't generate nearly the economic impact that the franchises themselves and their supporters think they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I never thought that. And thousands of new jobs from the Harbor Center? Hasn't it been pretty well established that sports franchises don't generate nearly the economic impact that the franchises themselves and their supporters think they do? You're right a multi million dollar sport/entertainment and hotel complex isn't really generating jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I never thought that. And thousands of new jobs from the Harbor Center? Hasn't it been pretty well established that sports franchises don't generate nearly the economic impact that the franchises themselves and their supporters think they do? Didn't you post multiple times that TP might keep the Toronto series going? And who said anything about sports franchises generating jobs? I was referring to Harbor Center, the hotel, the restaurant, etc. -- and, more importantly, that these moves might trigger other private development, both downtown and elsewhere in WNY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Hasn't it been pretty well established that sports franchises don't generate nearly the economic impact that the franchises themselves and their supporters think they do? You're right a multi million dollar sport/entertainment and hotel complex isn't really generating jobs. And who said anything about sports franchises generating jobs? I was referring to Harbor Center, the hotel, the restaurant, etc. -- and, more importantly, that these moves might trigger other private development, both downtown and elsewhere in WNY. As my oldest was once fond of saying (before I adopted it (and sent him scurrying for new slang)): Shakin' mah head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 You're right a multi million dollar sport/entertainment and hotel complex isn't really generating jobs. Some, but thousands? Didn't you post multiple times that TP might keep the Toronto series going? And who said anything about sports franchises generating jobs? I was referring to Harbor Center, the hotel, the restaurant, etc. -- and, more importantly, that these moves might trigger other private development, both downtown and elsewhere in WNY. Stop moving the goal posts. I questioned whether the series would continue, so I guess implicit in the question was the idea that Terry might keep it going. My main point, IIRC, was that he'd want to end it but would have his business people arguing for it, and his decision would be telling. Not unlike his not wanting to raise ticket prices for the Sabres but ultimately doing so, in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Some, but thousands? Stop moving the goal posts. I questioned whether the series would continue, so I guess implicit in the question was the idea that Terry might keep it going. My main point, IIRC, was that he'd want to end it but would have his business people arguing for it, and his decision would be telling. Not unlike his not wanting to raise ticket prices for the Sabres but ultimately doing so, in spades. I'm not sure about thousands, but HarborCenter is going to indirectly create jobs downtown. We can argue whether the development around the Naval park was already started or if HC was needed to really cement it, but I would think there are people that are scrambling to come up with legitimate new business plans for the blocks around HarborCenter. Swannie House will certainly need to hire a few extra staff. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 One puzzling thing about the article is where Cliff Benson thinks the Bills stadium could go. Between Harbor Center and the ballpark. Is there room? Is Terry going to raze The News building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 One puzzling thing about the article is where Cliff Benson thinks the Bills stadium could go. Between Harbor Center and the ballpark. Is there room? Is Terry going to raze The News building? With Bucky and Sully and Hamilton inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 With Bucky and Sully and Hamilton inside? Or Harrington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Defecting Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 One puzzling thing about the article is where Cliff Benson thinks the Bills stadium could go. Between Harbor Center and the ballpark. Is there room? Is Terry going to raze The News building? The Indy Stadium sort of kind of fits, without having to raze much. http://www.19ideas.com/stadium/ I suppose the Bills wouldn't need a fieldhouse or anything, since they could practice in the dome. I'm sure Benson will figure out the parking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 The Indy Stadium sort of kind of fits, without having to raze much. http://www.19ideas.com/stadium/ I suppose the Bills wouldn't need a fieldhouse or anything, since they could practice in the dome. I'm sure Benson will figure out the parking. That's a cool site. I put the stadium on Goat Island. It fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 It has always bothered me that the word raze is the same, but opposite of the word raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 It has always bothered me that the word raze is the same, but opposite of the word raise. Homophones prefer aural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Homophones prefer aural. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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