LastPommerFan Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Reinhart was picked 2nd overall? Will he ever be as good as Jason Pominville? No. He is not the Second Coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 No. He is not the Second Coming. You should definitely change your name to Last Reinhart Fan. It would be super abstract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You should definitely change your name to Last Reinhart Fan. It would be super abstract. I'm waiting on the Z's. Nikita is the rightful heir. The ball is in his court, but The Latvian is waiting in the wings (or possible at center). My current screen name is super irrelevant now, as this entire process has destroyed any emotion i ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'm waiting on the Z's. Nikita is the rightful heir. The ball is in his court, but The Latvian is waiting in the wings (or possible at center). My current screen name is super irrelevant now, as this entire process has destroyed any emotion i ever had. I like it. It's ironic and sardonic all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Lol. Big picture here. If all this tanking comes to fruition and we get McEichle who would you rather have? Mantha as his winger for the next 10 years or Reinhart as a 3C? We all think Grigs should be 2C right? So our #2 overall pick is a 3C. Yeah those require tanking!!!! Big picture is going back and looking at the 1st forward taken in the NHL draft the past 15 years or so. Not many 3rd line players do I see there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Big picture is going back and looking at the 1st forward taken in the NHL draft the past 15 years or so. Not many 3rd line players do I see there. Then please explain to me where you see him of we draft McEichle. If you say 2C then we need to trade Grigs. Please don't say wing. Ok after doing that now project the same lineup with Mantha instead of Reinhart. I am pretty confident that if you take away the draft position it is pretty easy to see Mantha is a better fit. So YES, I trade them straight up with McEichle on my team. Edited November 21, 2014 by sicknfla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Then please explain to me where you see him of we draft McEichle. If you say 2C then we need to trade Grigs. Please don't say wing. wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 wing. ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Then please explain to me where you see him of we draft McEichle. If you say 2C then we need to trade Grigs. Please don't say wing. Ok after doing that now project the same lineup with Mantha instead of Reinhart. I am pretty confident that if you take away the draft position it is pretty easy to see Mantha is a better fit. So YES, I trade them straight up with McEichle on my team. I do say 2C. I also don't see any reason we have to trade Grigorenko. It'd probably be a good idea to find out what you have in some of these guys before you start shipping them off. If you're trading one of Grigorenko or Reinhart then it's in a big time package for a big time player. That's okay, sure. But you don't HAVE to deal any of them. Grigorenko should stick at center. Girgensons may move to wing once we get all hands on deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I do say 2C. I also don't see any reason we have to trade Grigorenko. It'd probably be a good idea to find out what you have in some of these guys before you start shipping them off. If you're trading one of Grigorenko or Reinhart then it's in a big time package for a big time player. That's okay, sure. But you don't HAVE to deal any of them. Grigorenko should stick at center. Girgensons may move to wing once we get all hands on deck. Assuming we have McEichle locked up do you do Reinhart/Myers/2nd for. Mantha/Larkin/1st? Bored tonight so throwing crap out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Assuming we have McEichle locked up do you do Reinhart/Myers/2nd for. Mantha/Larkin/1st? Bored tonight so throwing crap out there. No. MAYBE Reinhart for that package. I'm a big Mantha fan, but Reinhart was the second pick in the draft. He's still a GREAT prospect (not just good). Better than Mantha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) First the Sabres should have tanked the 2013 season like I argued for months to no avail. Dammit, you're right. If only they had listened to you. Yes it was a weak draft. Considering most on here would trade Reinhart straight up for the 20th pick of the previous draft. Hell, some of the people in here would probably do Reinhart + for Mantha. I am very skeptical that is true. I certainly wouldn't. Lol. Big picture here. If all this tanking comes to fruition and we get McEichle who would you rather have? Mantha as his winger for the next 10 years or Reinhart as a 3C? We all think Grigs should be 2C right? Why can't Reinhart and Zemgus be Malkin and Staal to McDavid's Crosby? Is that going to hurt the team? Then please explain to me where you see him of we draft McEichle. If you say 2C then we need to trade Grigs. Please don't say wing. Ok after doing that now project the same lineup with Mantha instead of Reinhart. I am pretty confident that if you take away the draft position it is pretty easy to see Mantha is a better fit. So YES, I trade them straight up with McEichle on my team. You guys know that Mantha is only four months younger than Grigorenko, just one inch taller and 15 pounds lighter? He has also carried the same criticisms about passion and defensive awareness? You know that Mantha put up a goal a game in the Q at 19, but Grigo did it (admittedly in fewer games) at 18? You know that Reinhart is outpacing both of them at the moment as a 19-year-old in a tougher league, and is better defensively than either? Edited November 21, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Dammit, you're right. If only they had listened to you. I am very skeptical that is true. I certainly wouldn't. Why can't Reinhart and Zemgus be Malkin and Staal to McDavid's Crosby? Is that going to hurt the team? You guys know that Mantha is only four months younger than Grigorenko, just one inch taller and 15 pounds lighter? He has also carried the same criticisms about passion and defensive awareness? You know that Mantha put up a goal a game in the Q at 19, but Grigo did it (admittedly in fewer games) at 18? You know that Reinhart is outpacing both of them at the moment as a 19-year-old in a tougher league, and is better defensively than either? Definitely a problem with the system when he is completely overpowering in one league and completely overwhelmed in another. Makes you a little skeptical about junior numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You guys know that Mantha is only four months younger than Grigorenko, just one inch taller and 15 pounds lighter? He has also carried the same criticisms about passion and defensive awareness? You know that Mantha put up a goal a game in the Q at 19, but Grigo did it (admittedly in fewer games) at 18? You know that Reinhart is outpacing both of them at the moment as a 19-year-old in a tougher league, and is better defensively than either? Way to bring a little perspective to the table, dudacek. Definitely a problem with the system when he is completely overpowering in one league and completely overwhelmed in another. Makes you a little skeptical about junior numbers. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Way to bring a little perspective to the table, dudacek. Really? Yeah really! I don't care how many points he scores the rest of the year in juniors. It is irrelevant. He is playing at a speed that allows him to dominate. The NHL made him look like he was in slow motion. After seeing how completely out of his league he was I want guys with size and speed. Grigs has size but no speed. Reinhart has neither at this point. Hate to be Debbie Downer but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Yeah really! I don't care how many points he scores the rest of the year in juniors. It is irrelevant. He is playing at a speed that allows him to dominate. The NHL made him look like he was in slow motion. After seeing how completely out of his league he was I want guys with size and speed. Grigs has size but no speed. Reinhart has neither at this point. Hate to be Debbie Downer but it is what it is. You're not wrong about any of this, but isn't the same true for any junior player? Isn't this why scouting is an inexact science? I mean there are only so many McDavids who hit all the boxes. Erik Rasmussen had size, speed, edge and production. He went at seven and sucked. Patrice Bergeron didn't shine in any of these areas. He went in the second round and was the best forward on a cup-winner. There is no magic formula. It's all projection and how well you think the package will project. Edited November 21, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 You're not wrong about any of this, but isn't the same true for any junior player? Isn't this why scouting is an inexact science? I mean there are only so many McDavids who hit all the boxes. Erik Rasmussen had size, speed, edge and production. He went at seven and sucked. Patrice Bergeron didn't shine in any of these areas. He went in the second round and was the best forward on a cup-winner. There is no magic formula. It's all projection and how well you think the package will project. good point. Sam is dominating in his own age group which you want. Against bigger and stronger men its not so easy. He'll get there. I'd rather our pick at this stage in his development was dominating in his own age group than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 good point. Sam is dominating in his own age group which you want. Against bigger and stronger men its not so easy. He'll get there. I'd rather our pick at this stage in his development was dominating in his own age group than not. And we should be counting our lucky stars Girgs, Z, Risto and possibly Grigo and Armia have looked as good as they have. reino may not pan out but the influx of all the high draft picks will pan out, the statistics just don't lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Sorry if this was already posted, but sounds like Neuvirth wasn't injured by Ennis after all (and thankfully should be back sooner than later): http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabres-nhl/sabres-notebook-neuvirth-could-return-in-a-few-days-20141121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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