darksabre Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 They are currently 23 points out of a playoff spot. If Miller was that big of a difference maker we would have been going to a few parades by now. Compare and contrast the Sabres and the Oilers and tell me in what way these two teams are similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I don't believe Jaskin or Rattie are in the conversation unless we add, and most likely a forward prospect, most likely center since they have an abundance of winger prospects. I'm looking at Paajarvi (22 yrs old, most likely what Murray is looking for development/age wise), Kurker or Carrier (both are 19 and still in their junior system) as the likely 3. Just my opinion is all. All 3 are LW'ers. I guess it depends on what the Blues think of Miller (is he the missing link to a cup team?) Rattie and Jaskin are good prospects but we aren't talking Strome or Drouin or Zadorov here. If there was a draft of all prospects outside the NHL, I doubt either gets a sniff of the first round. Kurker and Carrier are dime-a-dozen prospects - Daniel Catennaci types who wouldn't dent our top 10. Edited January 23, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Compare and contrast the Sabres and the Oilers and tell me in what way these two teams are similar? For starters they both suck. I get what you are saying that they need goaltending. Anybody can see that. I just don't agree that Miller makes them a playoff team. Just like Crosby would not make us a playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 FWIW, I would be asking for Jake Allen, but if I was the Blues, I would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 FWIW, I would be asking for Jake Allen, but if I was the Blues, I would say no. Yup. Agreed on both counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 For starters they both suck. I get what you are saying that they need goaltending. Anybody can see that. I just don't agree that Miller makes them a playoff team. Just like Crosby would not make us a playoff team. That doesn't really answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Compare and contrast the Sabres and the Oilers and tell me in what way these two teams are similar? Both teams are very young and have been out of the playoffs for a number of years. Neither team has won a playoff series for a number years. Both teams are rebuilding. Both teams have young talent but lack veteran talent to cover up mistakes. Both teams are strong at one position but weak in another. Neither team has an all star. Both have had leadership problems. Both have the ability to spend more money than they currently are. Both have drafted high in the last couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) FWIW, I would be asking for Jake Allen, but if I was the Blues, I would say no. Yup. Agreed on both counts. Yes, Allen would be the ideal return, but I also don't see that happening. However, Jaskin's interests me along with either Rattie, Taresenko or Schwartz. And unless this is an expanded deal outside of just moving Miller, I don't see that happening. I look to Paavarji+Halak+Jaskin. A couple of young wingers and a salary dump, but we may have to add on our end a bit more than we'd like to swallow, not sure though. Edited January 23, 2014 by HopefulFuture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 That doesn't really answer the question. Yes it does. I don't have the time or energy to play your games. Ryan Miller is not good enough to put then in the payoffs. Period. Contrasts and comparisons are a mute point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolignosJock Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 For starters they both suck. I get what you are saying that they need goaltending. Anybody can see that. I just don't agree that Miller makes them a playoff team. Just like Crosby would not make us a playoff team. Crosby could probably make us a playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Yes, Allen would be the ideal return, but I also don't see that happening. However, Jaskin's interests me along with either Rattie, Taresenko or Schwartz. And unless this is an expanded deal outside of just moving Miller, I don't see that happening. I look to Paavarji+Halak+Jaskin. A couple of young wingers and a salary dump, but we may have to add on our end a bit more than we'd like to swallow, not sure though. As far as your offer goes, we send them someone to fill the hole created by Paajarvi, or they can flip to fill that hole, and it might get done. Pretty realistic on all counts. Jaskin and Paajarvi would probably both play for us next year and that's probably what GMTM would prefer. Blues may prefer to give up a pick. Crosby could probably make us a playoff team. He just might. Edited January 23, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yes it does. I don't have the time or energy to play your games. Ryan Miller is not good enough to put then in the payoffs. Period. Contrasts and comparisons are a mute point. Play my games? I'm asking you a question. LGR didn't seem to have any trouble taking a crack at it for you. Want him to hold your hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Crosby could probably make us a playoff team. You can't be serious? Play my games? I'm asking you a question. LGR didn't seem to have any trouble taking a crack at it for you. Want him to hold your hand? Here we go again. THIS is why i am not playing your games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 You can't be serious? Fixes our biggest weakness in the best possible way - turns Stafford into a 30-goal scorer, and Foligno into a 20-goal man, fixes the power play, gives Ehrhoff someone who take advantage of his breakouts, lets Ott concentrate on being a shutdown guy, takes the best checkers away from Hodgson, Moulson and Ennis. We wouldn't be a legitimate contender, but the playoffs aren't far-fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Fixes our biggest weakness in the best possible way - turns Stafford into a 30-goal scorer, and Foligno into a 20-goal man, fixes the power play, gives Ehrhoff someone who take advantage of his breakouts, lets Ott concentrate on being a shutdown guy, takes the best checkers away from Hodgson, Moulson and Ennis. We wouldn't be a legitimate contender, but the playoffs aren't far-fetched. So your saying our number one line is Crosby, Stafford, and Foligno? Bet he would be thrilled ;) Edited January 23, 2014 by sicknfla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Fixes our biggest weakness in the best possible way - turns Stafford into a 30-goal scorer, and Foligno into a 20-goal man, fixes the power play, gives Ehrhoff someone who take advantage of his breakouts, lets Ott concentrate on being a shutdown guy, takes the best checkers away from Hodgson, Moulson and Ennis. We wouldn't be a legitimate contender, but the playoffs aren't far-fetched. Agreed. A player like Crosby instantly gives this team a legit top line, whereas right now they don't even have a legit 2nd line. It leaves plenty of holes still left to fill, but fixes the most important one. I hear there may be a guy of Crosby's ilk coming out in the draft next year...what do you guys think about tanking next year to give us the best shot at grabbing him? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 You can't be serious? Here we go again. THIS is why i am not playing your games. I asked you a question and you refuse to actually answer it. Not sure how that is in any way my fault. Can you answer that question for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Ok ok, lets try this one....... Miller + Ott + Luke Adam + Minny 2nd rd pick for Halak + Stewart + Rattie/Jaskin (one or the other, not both) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I asked you a question and you refuse to actually answer it. Not sure how that is in any way my fault. Can you answer that question for me? Holy Christ dude. You don't give up. I will answer for you in great detail when i can. I am driving from Sarasota to Miami. Trying to keep it short. Not the safest way to kill time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Agreed. A player like Crosby instantly gives this team a legit top line, whereas right now they don't even have a legit 2nd line. It leaves plenty of holes still left to fill, but fixes the most important one. I hear there may be a guy of Crosby's ilk coming out in the draft next year...what do you guys think about tanking next year to give us the best shot at grabbing him? :P Anyone wanna watch Connor McDavid highlights? Also he turned 17 on the 13th of this month so during these highlights he was 16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnjbug0P8h8 Edited January 23, 2014 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Holy Christ dude. You don't give up. I will answer for you in great detail when i can. I am driving from Sarasota to Miami. Trying to keep it short. Not the safest way to kill time. Was that so hard? Once again, all you had to do was say "I can't give you an answer right now but I will come back to it later when I have time." But of course your first response when challenged is always a gnashing of teeth and throwing your hands up. Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Was that so hard? Once again, all you had to do was say "I can't give you an answer right now but I will come back to it later when I have time." But of course your first response when challenged is always a gnashing of teeth and throwing your hands up. Shocking. You know you aren't helping with a response like this? I am just saying that continually going after him really doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Was that so hard? Once again, all you had to do was say "I can't give you an answer right now but I will come back to it later when I have time." But of course your first response when challenged is always a gnashing of teeth and throwing your hands up. Shocking. About as shocking as you having a girlfriend. That was a joke. Don't get all huffy. Josie must be a saint. Edited January 23, 2014 by sicknfla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Just to step into the wee-wee contest, IMHO Crosby plus Nolan from the beginning of this season makes the Sabres a playoff team, while Miller on the Oilers from the beginning of the season does not make them a playoff team. Reasons: 1. The Sabres with Nolan coaching are better than the Oilers. 2. Crosby is better than Miller (and I really like Miller). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 About as shocking as you having a girlfriend. That was a joke. Don't get all huffy. Josie must be a saint. She is :lol: I'm not trying to give you a hard time for the sake of giving you a hard time, but your posts are consistently lacking and I want to make it clear where those areas are. We are butting heads for the same reason every time, which is that I am asking more from you and you don't feel the need to do it. This is not my problem to fix. It's on you. Just to step into the wee-wee contest, IMHO Crosby plus Nolan from the beginning of this season makes the Sabres a playoff team, while Miller on the Oilers from the beginning of the season does not make them a playoff team. Reasons: 1. The Sabres with Nolan coaching are better than the Oilers. 2. Crosby is better than Miller (and I really like Miller). A little far fetched with the Crosby point, no? I think everyone here is drastically discounting how well the talent players are playing for Edmonton. They aren't a team of third and fourth liners like Buffalo is. Maybe next year we'll resemble Edmonton with young and talented guys, but right now I don't see it. We're bargain bin while Edmonton is unpolished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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