NowDoYouBelieve Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Just looked and saw that Miller is 3 wins away from a quick 200 for his career. He's also one of a small handful of superstars in the franchise's history, and a player that can singlehandedly win games. Does his number end up getting retired? I think it does, provided he sticks with the team for several more years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Just looked and saw that Miller is 3 wins away from a quick 200 for his career. He's also one of a small handful of superstars in the franchise's history, and a player that can singlehandedly win games. Does his number end up getting retired? I think it does, provided he sticks with the team for several more years at least. The honor has been so watered down, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoYouBelieve Posted December 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 The honor has been so watered down, yes. But if he retires with 400 wins, a couple Vezina Trophies (perhaps even a Stanley Cup one of these days?!?!) it wouldn't be a watered down accomplishment in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 But if he retires with 400 wins, a couple Vezina Trophies (perhaps even a Stanley Cup one of these days?!?!) it wouldn't be a watered down accomplishment in my opinion. There needs to be at least one Stanley Cup Finals appearance in a Sabres uniform. That should be the standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 But if he retires with 400 wins, a couple Vezina Trophies (perhaps even a Stanley Cup one of these days?!?!) it wouldn't be a watered down accomplishment in my opinion. OK, but you're changing the question... a lot. You seemed to be hinting he has earned the honor already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoYouBelieve Posted December 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 OK, but you're changing the question... a lot. You seemed to be hinting he has earned the honor already. Oh sorry, that's honestly not what I meant at all. I was talking more about "At this pace, statistically..." and then combining those numbers with what he currently means to the team in the midst of his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 The honor has been so watered down, yes. This. By the current standards he may have already earned it. IMO the only guy that deserves to be up there is Gilbert. Noone else should be up there until someone wearing a Sabres uni leads the team to a Stanley Cup. Realisticly, Hasek will probably find his way up there, and so will Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Win a Cup and we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 This. By the current standards he may have already earned it. IMO the only guy that deserves to be up there is Gilbert. Noone else should be up there until someone wearing a Sabres uni leads the team to a Stanley Cup. Realisticly, Hasek will probably find his way up there, and so will Miller. I can go along with making it harder to get there, but I don't see how you can exclude Dominik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 I can go along with making it harder to get there, but I don't see how you can exclude Dominik. In my case it is personal hard feelings. The dude manufactured his way off the team in a lopsided trade he engineered that set the team back for years. And then said he was going into the Hall as a Red Wing after getting almost all of his awards while in a Sabre uni. I'm OK with never acknowledging him on the ceiling. But hey, that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 In my case it is personal hard feelings. The dude manufactured his way off the team in a lopsided trade he engineered that set the team back for years. And then said he was going into the Hall as a Red Wing after getting almost all of his awards while in a Sabre uni. I'm OK with never acknowledging him on the ceiling. But hey, that's just me. And there was that horrible cardigan he wore during the press conference in Buffalo, reason enough to disqualify him. I've always said he would be booed off the ice during any ceremony, and he knows it. I really doubt he will agree to be honored in Buffalo, for that reason. Will time heal all wounds? I doubt it. The hate will be passed on to future generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrix31 Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Definitely, with the body of work he'll probably have by the time he retires (assuming no injury or whatever)....Cups will obviously help his case. There are so many franchises across all sports that haven't won championships, that still have rings of honor and halls of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donteatyellowsnow Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 No, as of right now Millers career stats are really no better than Biron's career stats in a Buffalo uniform and nobody would ever think of Marty's #43 being hung up at HSBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Definitely, with the body of work he'll probably have by the time he retires (assuming no injury or whatever)....Cups will obviously help his case. There are so many franchises across all sports that haven't won championships, that still have rings of honor and halls of fame. But we're talking about retiring a number, the highest honor. Not for the Gares, Martins, Roberts or LaFontaines or Millers IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 in the abstract, i am on the fence - 50-50. as a practical matter, PA is right. it feels almost like a foregone conclusion at this point. this topic led me to yet another fascinating wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_retired_numbers i could google it, but i wonder whether any other player has ever had his number retired from an entire league (a la gretzky). I can go along with making it harder to get there, but I don't see how you can exclude Dominik. In my case it is personal hard feelings. The dude manufactured his way off the team in a lopsided trade he engineered that set the team back for years. And then said he was going into the Hall as a Red Wing after getting almost all of his awards while in a Sabre uni. I'm OK with never acknowledging him on the ceiling. But hey, that's just me. i understand the animosity. fact of the matter is, though, that he is arguably the greatest sabre ever (didn't the local paper thusly opine?) And there was that horrible cardigan he wore during the press conference in Buffalo, reason enough to disqualify him. so awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 i could google it, but i wonder whether any other player has ever had his number retired from an entire league (a la gretzky). Found this: The NHL's first league-wide number retirement was inspired by Major League Baseball's decision to retire Jackie Robinson's No. 42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 Ask me when he has been retired for 10 years. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 Found this: The NHL's first league-wide number retirement was inspired by Major League Baseball's decision to retire Jackie Robinson's No. 42. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 i understand the animosity. fact of the matter is, though, that he is arguably the greatest sabre ever (didn't the local paper thusly opine?) DON'T BOTHER ME WITH THE FACTS !!!! :mellow: :unsure: :blink: :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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