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If Risto had any value he would've been long gone by now. Teams know what he is: a bad negative value player. Nobody is touching him unless you practically give him away. When a guy like Brian Burke (who is just about the least progressive/most old school hockey mind out there) says he'd never touch the guy that's all you need to know.

Creating a scenario that pointlessly screws over 2 teams for no good or logical reason whatsoever is so Peak NHL.

Here is the problem: Teams that have really good #2 centers (even teams with depth to where the player is playing on the 3rd or even 4th line) don't give them away. The only way you can acquire one via trade is to find a GM who you can take advantage of because they are so inept and in over their head (like Botts). So we need the guy who is the mark other teams go to when they want to sucker someone to find someone who is an even bigger sucker than he is. Those aren't good odds.

2 12 packs (24 cans total).

Oh yes...

If you made a list of the bottom 5 GMs in the league Botts and Bergevin are both on it. And why Poille wasn't stupid: Nashville is a perennial contender, the Panthers: not so much. Therefore the odds were in fact good that Florida would not be good the following season and they would end up with a pick higher than the one they gave up. So they stood to gain value whereas the Botts pick had no chance of doing so.

If you can't see how the trade was like a Monty Python skit I can't help you. It's like something Karl Pilklington would do if you made him an NHL GM. And we've already gone over why those trades were nowhere near as dumb as the one Botts made.

And the fact that his draft batting average makes Mario Mendoza look like Ty Cobb speaks for itself.

They gave up 3 scratch off lottery tickets (which is what late round picks are) and ended up with 2. Think of it this way: anything after round 4 in any draft you can put every available name on a dartboard and whomever you hit you take and that has roughly the same exact odds of panning out. Probability says having more darts to throw increases your odds of winning

Kinda funny that Botts is always the one doing favors for other teams in most of the moves he makes but oddly nobody ever seem to do favors for us. Almost as if doing favors for other organizations and expecting them to be repaid is really really dumb.

Yes, and doing so is not completely stupid because in those cases there is actually a chance the pick next year ends up higher. There is zero chance of that if the pick you give up is the first in the round.

He traded THE FIRST PICK OF THE 2018 6TH ROUND straight up for another team's 6th rounder next year that had ZERO CHANCE OF BEING BETTER THAN THE PICK HE GAVE UP. And on top of that another team that very draft swapped 6th rounders and got an additional pick for doing so, SOMETHING BOTTS WITH THE BEST PICK IN THE ENTIRE ROUND FAILED TO ACCOMPLISH. Seriously if you can't see that this was basically like a comedy sketch than I don't know what to say.

You missed the point: in the grand scheme of thing it wasn't giving away ROR but it's a very good example of the poor decision making that is a Botts trademark (just like the infamous straight swap of 6th rounders in 2018 that defied all logic and common sense).

The article specifically said he noticed something was wrong and he was feeling discomfort in May of 2019 (a month before the draft). It's also an example of Botts employing the absolute worst strategy you can use in a draft, which is giving up picks to move up after the first two rounds because everything else after that is a crapshoot and the best way to end up striking gold is to have as many picks as possible.

Trading up in the draft for a guy who is damaged goods and could end up out of the sport without playing a single pro game is Peak Botts

That article was just so sad to read: this team has been put in a terrible position by the incompetence of management to the point they'd need a magician to get us out of it. Instead the guy who put us in that situation is going nowhere and will instead be expected to get us out of the Grand Canyon sized hole he himself is responsible for.

If everyone is raving about this "amazing" draft wouldn't that make the #8 pick we will almost surely end up with really valuable, as in something that if we had a competent GM could easily get us a real good player back and help us not be a league laughingstock NOW as opposed to half a decade from now? Ceiling isn't low enough so Botts will pass.

I'd also like to add this: many people seem to be ignoring the concept of the Seen and Unseen. We can see the actual number of people listed as dying from the virus. What is going unseen is that the ongoing lockdown is also killing and destroying people. People have lost their jobs and in the incompetent cesspool known as NYS if you file for unemployment your claim will be processed on the 10th of Never (and that's if you are somehow fortunate enough to get it successfully sent on the website that is designed as well as something you would see on Geocities) which I am all too familiar with. People are unable to get needed medical treatment because it has all been cancelled. People won't go to a hospital under any circumstance because they have been terrified into thinking that they are filled to the brim with people suffering with this (like a neighbor who has a torn/broken ankle that is purple but has decided to self medicate with a dozen tall boys instead). There is the long term damage of people gaining massive amounts of weight from being inside with nothing to do. I lost over 100 pounds over the last decade and it did wonders for my health, if I gain it back that has a far greater chance of doing me in than the virus. There is the mental health damage from being under de facto house arrest, having no job, nowhere to go and having no purpose in life. That last one is such an important thing that nobody seems to understand: My job at Kohl's gave me more than a paycheck, it gives me a feeling of accomplishing something and being productive (which is why while an Unemployment Check would certainly help it isn't a true substitute for what I have really lost). And obviously economic destruction and economic collapse cause poverty, which history has taught us brings death in multiple ways. In fact, the areas that were hardest hit were places that were poor and filled with people with underlying health conditions that made them far more susceptible to the virus. I guess my general point is that just viewing this as just a medical problem is just as big a mistake as viewing it solely as an economic problem. And furthermore people accusing anyone who doesn't agree with them of not caring about people dying is being absurd. Do you seriously think either Trump or Cuomo want people to die? No, they both want this thing to do as little damage as possible but disagree on how to accomplish that.

The people who showed up carrying guns were so stupid that my first thought is that they were the group's political opponents posing as members to make them look bad, but they weren't.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK?

I have never understood why there is so much hostility towards what is essentially pattern recognition and using numerical formulas to express common sense conclusions (Such as corsi/fenwick which suggest taking more shots than the other team is a good thing).

I posted the tweet because I don't think there is an NFL thread and figured this was the best place to put it. Posted it because it was really funny to anyone who is a wrestling fan because the Steiner Math promo was probably the greatest moment in TNA history.

Dude: The player in question is his brother Rick's son.