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but you know with this team, we'd get the drug addict version.

imo Foligno is exactly what this team needs. So I'm curious, assuming a trade for Jack is made who's your new captain?

Don't think you get all four but yes, Landeskog would be another of the good FAs you can use the saved money on. Agreed.

It was during the draft, not the trade thread. I remember several people predicting he would be a bust. But it doesn't matter. The other part, see above.

Keep in mind there is a part B to this trade. You get 2 rookie contracts and you can dump that Eichel money on maybe a Nick Foligno as a new captain or some other good free agent. maybe two.

Eichel's obviously more talented, but the real question should be which one would win you the hockey game? That's a far trickier argument. In the case of the modern Sabres the question might also be who was/is the more valuable hockey player Eichel or ROR?

Not as talented as Eichel but better leaders and thus we won more games with them.

Really don't see how they could be nothings. A bunch of people here scoffed at Lafreniere and he looked pretty good against us yesterday and he's only beginning. These guys are going to be very good hockey players.

What about Turcotte & Byfield for Eichel? or Byfield Turcotte and a pick or two (perhaps conditional)?

true, but it'll be hard to escape the burden of current history if the season shifts to "is Jack happy' or "what's wrong with Jack" or "Jack Eichel trade rumours" and maybe it's the right moment to avoid that possibility before the no trade kicks in and while we reset and rebuild with a youthful group .

hey new guy. Don't let them silence you. Take a look here and make some suggestions. https://www.sabrespace.com/community/topic/29305-the-jack-eichel-trade-rumor-and-speculation-thread-sorry/

Already said, you just don't want to hear it.

Yup. Goalie is the starting point no matter what you do with Eichel or without.

Which is my point and why I believe we would be stronger in trading him. Too much focus on Jack and on the past years. Inescapable and all the talk next year if things don't go great. Better to wipe the slate clean at this point and build fresh with the young group we have plus what we get.

Actually it is solved, it's just that people don't follow the solutions. They simply don't listen, just like the covidiots.

There's truth to that, and you'd think so, but remember these are hockey players. They're not often the brightest lights and they spend their entire lives in team oriented groups and locker rooms and a lot of them are used to being "led". Do not underestimate the power of strong team leadership. Said it before and will always believe it. History would have been different if we'd named ROR captain instead of holding it for Eichel.

I think it happened at a Tim's. 🙂

No, but expecting him to be the answer for everything is part of the cause.

Having Reinhart taking the draw with the goalie pulled doesn't exactly scream genius coaching but whatever, face offs don't matter I'm told. So, two teams trying to play basically the same way. They're just better than us. For those people in the other thread saying the Sabres are a mid level team maybe this will convince you. Rangers are a mid level team. We are down below that. We were never in it. Thompson needs to sit again. All his bad habits are taking over again. Guy just doesn't get it.

I expect this to be pretty fast and wide open. Should be a good test to see if this young D can hold up. Probably comes down to goaltending.

I still have a limp from falling off the bandwagon after the 10 game win streak................ Never again 🙂

Well, there's nothing there to really argue with, but a lot of it is hopeful and wishful. 1. Would Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart be the line you want? We'd like Skinner @40 goals again but he's looking so useless I have no faith he will just rebound on that line and we didn't win with that top line before so why would we now? 2. Mitts has shown vast improvement and the ability to score, but that line is flawed as is and I'm not sure how it holds up for a whole season. My thoughts on what Thompson needs to do are all over numerous threads. 3. I like R2 with Cozens, not so sure about Bjork and I think Seattle will take him. 4. I agree on the D and it brings up questions. Overall it's moving in the right direction but not sure if it's there yet. 5. The bottom is iffy at best. We have no size, no toughness, no good checkers. This is not a balanced team. 6. The goaltending has to be a lot better and more reliable. and durable. So you need to add pieces, as you said, but will we? who? for who? Will Eichel buy in? Will the cultural shift continue or be back to the same again? I'm just not sure, and I'm hesitant to be too optimistic too soon.

Stylistically that may be true. Krupp is perhaps the best comparison. I will have to see more before I equate him with McKee's toughness.

The team is going to have to prove this. I will believe it when I see it.

Consider the opposition. In this division right now, we are only (arguably) better than New Jersey. Rangers with their lottery wins have more youth trending up than we do. Philly is kind of hard to figure so leave that one as a question mark. But way behind the rest. In our old division we're dead last. Maybe we could be ahead of Ottawa but I think they are poised to move up. Tampa? Florida? Toronto? Boston? How exactly do you see us close to the playoffs???