PerreaultForever

Well in fairness, we're not much of anything. We're the worst team in hockey. Continuing on with the same core will yield the same results. You want to do that? If so, enjoy. You won't have to worry about arguing with me about new directions, I will be gone.

idk about you but I'd rather have a NYI or Montreal run and lose in the end than marvel at Eichel's great abilities and not make the playoffs. Islanders were one lucky bounce away from eliminating Tampa, a team that really nobody should be able to beat with thier taxation cap advantages combined with their cap cheating. Nobody else gets to hold that much talent in one place. If the league doesn't address it, we will have to get used to many Tampa cups. We can't compete with that on any level ever. exactly. the team is BUILT WRONG. and this is our one opportunity to change that. Will we? I doubt it very much. The Krakhouse awaits.

Well, we have a philosophical disagreement in terms of direction. Personally, I don't believe we can win any time soon without trying to follow this model.

Oh please weren't not. Islanders got NOTHING for Tavares. We will get producers for those two guys. Or at least we should.

You're looking at half my argument and trying to spin it for your narrative. Nowhere am I suggesting the current level of production is adequate. I expect more production from Cozens, Mitts, etc etc whoever is on this roster and the new guys be they Rossi or Zegras or Dach or whoever. I'm suggesting a new team approach is the answer and it's time for the failed less than dynamic duo to no longer be the focus of this franchise. Every year there's examples of teams without star power (or less star power) going further in the playoffs than expected and star power teams with early exits. Idk how many times we need to have this argument, I guess every season until we start winning. We are clearly oil and water.

Okay, but it's NOT a math problem. But to counter on your terms for the heck of it, the math does work. The Islanders lost 84 scoring points off their roster and then went on to gain 23 points in the standings. the math works. so yes, I am gutting the team, that is what I am suggesting. I'm tired of losing, and I will take so called boring hockey if it gets us to game 7 conference finals and maybe even the cup.

I don't think anybody here would disagree that Trotz is one of the best coaches in the NHL, perhaps all time, and he makes teams over achieve regularly. The point would be we didn't try to hire him when Washington let him go, just like we never tried to hire Quenneville. We hire rookies and unknowns. It's just dumb.

Absolutely. My hope (of the quiet) is that they are letting other teams see medical reports or examine him etc. behind the scenes. But it's all speculation and we will wait for the spin on whatever it is that happens or doesn't.

But we don't, because it comes from other places and the people you bring in. It just isn't concentrated on 2 or 3 guys necessarily but maybe spread through the team. Often, 2 25 goal scorers will take a team further than 1 50 goal scorer to simplify the argument. Also if you bring in great defenders/checkers/goalies maybe you win 2-1 instead of losing 5-4. Less points, more wins.

But Gallant has gotten it done. Vegas, despite their expansion draft trades etc. was still not supposed to be anything right away. remember all the consternation and complaints around here when Vegas had more points and was winning more than us early in the season? We were worse than an expansion team and it wasn't sitting well. Gallant seems to rub owners the wrong way, but he does get it done, and you watch, he will get it done in New York too. For Dudley, I was comparing him to the Lamorello part. A top dog of some kind. A big boss to shape the franchise in his image. he has Sabres history, which places him above other similar czar types for this franchise imo. The point is hire experienced hockey men rather then rookies learning on the job (and making mistakes in growing pains).

But not necessarily many points. 1-0 is fine by me if it's our 1. If you're suggesting we would have won with this team and good goaltending we disagree. It's not enough. Our D would have exposed many goalies. If you're suggesting it's a team sport and you need solid play everywhere I agree.

I don't think you have to apologize for being hard on Adams, you're absolutely right. SO FAR he has done nothing right or simply nothing. I don't agree with the 130 points argument though. It's about winning games not guys with points. We didn't win with them. We didn't win with Skinner adding over 40 goals to them. Scoring stats don't matter when you're losing all the time. We need a different approach. I will say this, and it won't be popular, but as skilled as Eichel is, he has been consistently shut down by solid 2 ways players like Bergeron when they went head to head in games that mattered to our opponents. We rarely even saw first string goalies and top efforts from opponents cause they didn't need them. The young loose team at the end of this season has a long way to go but it performed better and with more effort overall. I firmly believe if we get a pick and 2 top prospects that work out, maybe a little more, we will win this trade and that GM will indeed be fired in a few years.

Oh I know. Why I was advocating for Dudley and Gallant and so on. It's possible our guy is a good hire but it's definitely no sure thing.

I think any GM would be insane to make the trade without getting a medical clearance of some sort from their team doctors as a condition. If there's any doubts or there's a timeline for recovery issue the deal can always be a conditional one like if Eichel starts the season the 2nd round pick becomes a first etc. that sort of thing. In any event, Eichel is worth more this we mostly all agree.

Probably, but that's what everybody said about the New York Islanders when they lost Tavares for nothing. We're getting something back. A lot of somethings.

With all due respect I don't think this is a difficult question. Jack has much more value but Sam is easier to trade. Regardless of what people like me think of him Sam is prime age and he had a solid end to the season. the perception should be that he is at peak value and other GMs should be thinking all he needs is some good linemates and this guy will totally break out. So he should be easy to trade, but you get more for Jack with only one caveat, and that is the injury. If there is substantially more to that than we know it's a potential problem but I personally don't think it is. I still believe Eichel, or more specifically his agent, is just using the injury disconnect as a pathway to the exit door. So Sam should get you a first rounder and a decent player or prospect Jack should get you a first rounder, 2 really top prospects and maybe more in a roster player and/or cap casualty. (Risto gets you a low first rounder if you're lucky, maybe a second. Skinner gets you a bag of chips and a coke if you retain salary.)

Hate them both. Just don't care. Cheaters and well, the f'n habs. With Robert dying, it just ain't right.

For the perception that they turned over every rock and investigated every option, when it's been the simplest, cheapest, and easiest option all along.

I could be wrong, but personally I think Dach is going to be as good as Getzlaf was.

Exactly, and don't forget the no movement clause kicking in. Well they'd have to have that talk but Jack has already publicly had his presser and stated Jack has to think about Jack. This conversation happens what's to stop him from looking back at KA and saying "hey, why don't you go chat with Jeff..........." Honestly, we already had the Taylor Hall crap and we have the Skinner crap and there's no way to control thee guys if they quit on this team and just hang in the country club slacking.

really? Why? I can confirm this. I remember you being very high on Rossi from early on.

We really should be finding a way to get Merzlikins off them before the expansion draft though. Doesn't have to be the Eichel deal but we have a spot open to protect a goalie and that's the prime candidate as they will lose him to the Kraken if they don't deal him somewhere.

You're not wrong, but I don't think the fanbase matters to them. There will be some on the get him out of here side and others on the don't trade our best player get more good players and never the twain shall they meet. the verdict either way is if we start to win after the deal or non deal. Then the other side of the fanbase jumps back aboard the bandwagon. Personally I just don't see how the team can function in a healthy team manner if your star player wants out or has issues with the club over medical concerns etc. That attitude has to leak in and it can be toxic for a new young core that you're trying to build with. Last thing you want is for these young guys to watch the toxicity and start making their own future exit plans when they hit rfa status etc. We need a positive team attitude.

Well nobody's really "out" and it's all just rumours but there's a bunch of LA insider type posts saying they're out or backed off etc. I think Dach is a great player and he'd be a wonderful pick up in any deal. Had to laugh though, I saw one Chicago site putting Nylander in their package to us. Too funny.

Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition.