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  1. atoq

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    I'm confused. I followed the link to learn more and found a story very different that what this twitter pundit describes, in which Sanford Health is trying to distance themselves from an outgoing executive (who has a business background) who made comments downplaying the crisis and need for masks. Was the story later updated? Did Alex not read the original story? Did Alex have enough accountability to update his take on the story? As is so often the case with internet pundits, it doesn't appear so. It also seems he misrepresents how the situation in the Dakota's is being represente
  2. That's right up there with bringing a convicted sex-offender from Trenton to Philadelphia to pretend to be a PA poll watcher alleging fraud in a press conference in front of a landscaping company.
  3. atoq

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    I agree the science isn't settled and we all have much to learn on the subject. When reviewing the data, its also important to consider the many factors that impact virus transmission and mortality rates from country to country outside of government policies on lockdowns, including societal factors like population density, health indicators, age distribution, health care system capacity, availability of health insurance, faith in public institutions, and local customs for personal space. Most of the countries you mentioned that Sweden compares favorably too are in continental Europe.
  4. atoq

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    The "Swedish model" has been brought up several times in this thread, as though its a strategy that could be implemented in the US. Its important to note the incredible pre-COVID societal differences between the two countries. Here is the ambassador from Sweden explaining some of those differences: It's also important to note that Sweden has universal public health care (mostly government funded), meaning there aren't ~28 million people without health insurance like in the United States. @nfreeman Are you advocating for universal health care and enhanced paid sick leave, followin
  5. I forgot another way they are attempting to subvert the democratic process: leaning on partisan state legislators to completely ignore the election results in swing states https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-strategy/trumps-election-power-play-persuade-republican-legislators-to-do-what-u-s-voters-did-not-idUSKBN27Z30G?il=0
  6. The correct argument is if this is an election is being rightfully disputed with legitimate evidence (it's not) or if it's being disputed only by a serial-liar and his subordinates who are utilizing wild conspiracy theories, obviously futile legal cases, and pressuring local election committees to throw out votes they don't like in order to subvert our democratic process (it is).
  7. atoq

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    No offense, but seems a bit disingenuous. The first line of the webpage, "As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists,…" (FTR, wtf is a public health scientist?) It is absolutely disingenuous. Besides the good points made by @SwampD about the the webpage, let's look to how @nfreeman himself how described the declaration: He claimed this was a scientific take. When it was pointed out there is little to no science in the article, he resorted to name-calling and personal attacks. @nfreeman you are right, I am a child. And in my first year o
  8. atoq

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    Please read more carefully. I repeated the part you quoted about the potential health results. Do you receive vaccinations or cancer screenings at restaurants, museums, concerts, sporting events, etc? There are lots of safe options for outdoor exercise to maintain cardiovascular health, leaving 'deteriorating mental health'. I acknowledged the link between unemployment and deteriorating mental health in bold #2 (perhaps not clearly enough), but the authors provide no evidence or analysis about and whether or not people will be more sad if they lose their job, or if the society lets the virus g
  9. atoq

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    This piece begins with an attempt to make a scientific argument about public health (cancer screenings, vaccinations, etc.) and concern for the underprivileged, and then finishes by advocating for a broad reopening of sports, schools and cultural institutions, which seem much more related to economic activity than public health outcomes, and therefore not a 'scientific matter'. The only link between what they propose to reopen and public health is the vague mention of 'mental health deterioration', which also likely applies to the friends and families of the 210,000 people who have died in the
  10. atoq

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    This is literally not true for the majority of South American countries. You mentioned Brasil, which is an outlier in their COVID response strategies, and the effectiveness of their strategies is demonstrated in their COVID case count number, the number of people who have died there, and how Brasilians have spread COVID into border regions of neighboring countries. Please look into how COVID is impacting communities in developing countries. Health facilities have been close to collapse for months in many countries. Indigenous communities in South America have been devastated by the vir
  11. atoq

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    You ask people to read 60+ articles and roll your eyes at 5 paragraphs. I did misquote, having originally intended to quote more and respond point by point, but instead responding more generally to the series of posts the followed. Oh well, nobody is perfect, I made careless mistakes in my post and you look for medical advice on a political sub-forum of a NFL message board. We're all doing our best. 3 minutes later. Nice try. I think we can all get behind more quality science being made available to the public. However, in this case there was curation and interpretation of thos
  12. atoq

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    To the bold: Yes there was. The website selectively chooses studies, ignores the quality of the evidence, misrepresents the conclusions of studies, and fails to consider how studies compare to each other in terms of cases studies. The graphic at the top of the page is also complete BS and entirely misleading for reasons mentioned earlier, mainly leaving out Brazil, but also in it's general design and inclusion of debatable labels that reveal the agenda behind the site instead of letting the data speak for itself. Design is important, especially on the internet, and the misleading graph and tag
  13. atoq

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    Interesting post, not because of the data presented---this website is fundamentally flawed---but because we can see how misinformation spreads during the pandemic. This website is at best scientifically flawed, at worst straight propaganda. The site cherry-picks certain HCQ Covid studies while leaving others out. For a more comprehensive review of studies done look here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=hydroxychloroquine+covid+meta+analysis&hl=en&scisbd=1&as_sdt=0,5 The site also misrepresents the studies they do show. For example, the Bouware study is li
  14. atoq

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    Actually, Claude brought up the topic of internet literacy when he dismissed Doohickie's (correct) point about the wealth of empirical evidence on the benefits of masks, contact tracing etc. Claude wrote off that point as Doohickie using google to get the response he was looking for. Then again its probably below (most) board management to participate in a game of "you started it!".
  15. Taro, care to share what you've read that says this may have been deserved? I ask because the last time you posted about a deep state conspiracy in regards to the origins of the Russia investigation, you pointed towards posts by Deranged Rhino on the PPP board at TBD. Every legal analysis I've read asserts that this dismissal is entirely unusual, from the arguments laid out by Barr, contradictions with the recent IG report on the origins of the investigation, the resignation of the prosecutor in protest, even down to the very unusual process in which the order was signed by an interim att
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