Thorny

A) I’m as right as ever, frankly I’m more right than ever, can’t remember the last thing I missed, b) I think that’s what leads to the tone. Yokels like you disagreeing because you have a complex. You argue against Adams philosophies any time but unless it’s me on the other end. ive got your number have you been more right than wrong? Your predictions from last year are almost laughably bad, if that’s any indication 😬 Hey congrats on calling Tage tho

For the record, I understand you use “scoring” to just mean goals but it gets confusing and that’s why you get responses like that because in the nhl scoring refers to points https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/nhl-players-stats.html It’s basically like saying Sidney Crosby was born in America what? He’s Canadian Ya that’s what I meant, he’s North American Goal scoring is goal scoring. The connotation for “scoring” in the nhl is points just like if you say “America” everyone knows what that means

Yes and Quinn will have 80 points last year Or was that the year before? I always try to stick with your predictions as opposed to my demonstrably more accurate ones

Start with points, or continue being wrong it’s honestly your call lol No one is ignoring all of the other context - listing it out doesn’t beef up your argument it simply belabours a nothing point Assists were not *mentioned* until i did so

Agree and JJ does things like that on goals he doesn’t get the points for I just think all else being equal the guys with the higher point totals are the guys contributing most to offence when we traded Eichel you wouldn’t say “goals” would you? Well you probably would but it wouldn’t be very fair would it? You are sort of over complicating what I’m saying. I’m simply saying it makes more sense to look at points than goals. It’s not perfect but it’s closer

83 points in, 124 points out - that’s your better starting point Your more objective starting point It’s not 33% more out, as simplifying to “goals” would suggest. I’d wager it’s far closer to the ~50% marker using all points would suggest

I know you made reference to “there’s more to it” but it’s an X for me because assist totals for me aren’t “more to it.” They are simply “it.” That’s raw offence. ”Goals scored that’s 34 in, 46 out. It’s not 20 or 30 the defence needs to make up, it’s 12. But it’s way more complicated than that. How will the moves affect the power play, the PK, line chemistry, line matchups, situational deployments, the forecheck, the backcheck, puck battles, rush offence, rush defence, exits and entries, the cycle game, getting to the net, blocking out, D zone structure, the room…?” This reads pretty firmly as “it’s 12 goals, for offence, and then other stuff” I just disagree. Assists deserve to be included with / attributed to raw offence. The “goals” we will need to replace. It’s not chemistry, or rush offence, or any of the stuff you mentioned it’s offence. The calculation doesn’t start at 34 in, 46 out. I don’t think it’s just an oversimplification - I think it’s an oversimplification to the extent of being functionally meaningless in terms of a discussion point

Yes he did ask for a trade before the injury. He asked for a trade in 2020 upon hearing of the Adams plan to long form rebuild in line with EEE

Awful ordering. The McNabb trade worse than ROR is a farce and the Kane trade was far closer to a great big heap of nothingness than our very worst trade. The jets got nothing from it either. The build didn’t fail because we lost a 1st round pick they don’t even take issue with the players - their take away is it tried to “win too quickly.” After all we’ve seen, for that to be the takeaway is high comedy. Our issue has been the exact opposite

That was the best part about trading Eichel- you don’t trade playmaking, just “goals” What did Eichel have his last year? 2 goals? 2 goals out. Mathing. - - - You don’t want to trade a guy like Norris cause his goals assist ratio is too weighted towards goals you trade playmakers or guys with high assist totals - the “goals out” calculation doesn’t need to take that into equation so it’s a pretty damn good strategy Honestly have we considered moving Dahlin? Had we moved Dahlin for Doan we’d only have been out 6 goals. That would have been my move Peterka had 41 assists last year. The Kesselring, Doan, Norris combo had 47, combined Peterka had 41 assists last year. jAsh Norris has 67, in 8 years since being drafted

Here you go They could do their jobs - that’s always an option

Calling Kulich and Quinn “untouchables” is high comedy - that’s not hyperbole. You cannot actually be serious. Not “only for the right return” you are calling them off limits. Absurd. You sound like rangers fans re: Eichel There’s a certain comfort in retreating back to having zero expectation and “collecting” your team ala EA sports nhl don’t really need to win if you can just be happy talking about your little collection of players online - in language you feel comes off balanced and reasonable but actually, demonstrably only exists in that form as a means to an end in and of itself: the laying out of the players you are mentally collecting in verbiage you find satisfying. Its objective horse *****

I’ve enjoyed watching you slowly morph back into Kevyn Adams this summer We’ve gone back to 2022 Need to have patience with the Adams plan

That’s a great way to put the distinction

It’s funny they’ve basically proceeded to get younger instead of older until maybe now haha

This will be the 4th year straight they are one of the 4 youngest teams

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What, ugly Bradley Cooper and Adam Sandler’s non-talent acting friend don’t do anything for her?

Well, ya - because it’s a choice. They aren’t actually stupid, they understand they are literally handcuffing their chances of winning by prioritizing savings. They are bad on purpose, in that very real sense Nachoooooooooooooo

Krebs lol Can tell it’s mid July

Jarmo is already right there, just for one. The bar is incredibly low with Adams. Of course the quality of GM matters even under someone like Pegula - Adams is bad because he *is like* Pegula, not because he’s overly burdened by him. We know this from the circumstance upon which he took the job. Even Adams to his credit managed a 91 point team - Pegula presented a magical barrier we couldn’t get cross, that one extra point? No - to Adams failure - he had a horrendous offseason after 22-23. There’s absolutely a mile of difference between Adams and what a lot of guys would do. You are right that Terry is the biggest issue. He likes Adams. He hired Adams. My point is that there are GMs he can hire by throwing a dart that would do a better job. So - I agree with you it ultimately falls to Terry, he’s the guy employing the GM. Making that choice. But where I disagree is that no GM willing would be better. Hell I’d do it.

On a tangent, didn’t realize until recently that when cars drive by to hand water bottles to the riders, there’s an art to how long they allow their hands to both linger on the bottle for just a moment so the car in affect pulls forward the rider allowing for momentary rest The art of cheating is one of the best parts of sports

The tipping point, and I said it at the time, was electing for a long form rebuild on the heels of missing 9 straight years already it was a disastrous calculation

It’s Pegula’s unwillingness to fire Adams and hire a competent GM

We also played at a 93 point pace in the stretch run - which we know wasn’t reflective of our season as a whole as always caution using a “garbage time” sample size You have to write out the lines somehow