Thorny

Right that’s what I’m saying: he’s not getting traded this summer People that are dreamily envisioning it as a building block transaction for something to improve this summer are mistaken - that’s what I’m saying (nm that being beyond Adams’ capacity) There wasn’t “more coming” after the JJ trade - it wasn’t the “first shoe”. remember? “I’ll judge the Peterka deal when we see what’s next” nothing was next . I’ll happily eat the shoe if there is - - -

No I said they are about break even

30 goals better, after accounting for Peterka subtraction so Kesselring is worth like…..65 goals on his own Phil Kesselring with a cheeseburger on the line… maybe

Ya, next year. He’s not getting traded this summer. D is improved. I do not think adding Kesselring trims the D by THIRTY GOALS, no. Not 30. Peterka was one of our best PP players relatively - it’s just that our entire PP was bad. He’d have been the first to benefit if we actually, you know, changed the pp coaches - - - Not really trying to have an argument - if you want to argue Kesselring for Peterka is a wash: fine. That’s fine. So Adams made a lateral move he only made BECAUSE jj asked for a deal. Ok. So we are the same. We…sat in last almost the whole year and haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years There’s..no plan for improvement? If JJ doesn’t ask out we just…do nothing? we haven’t done anything

So his value will go up when he fails to get opportunity? Just curious

Dude there’s no hope - I think we have to realize this. If the team can be this blatantly bad and insulting to its fans and still get people refusing to call it out I think it’s a lost cause I think we have the 7th most space right now

Ya I doubt we carry 3 goalies

Not of guys that are locked up on deals exactly to UFA point - they have years of control remaining/the need to negotiate a new contract without a free pass to UFA. Even wtih Reinhart, he was still RFA with the need for a new deal of course you think a contract that walks him to UFA doesn’t hurt his trade value. Why would you? He’s a Sabre. i linked a post in thread where I told you what would happen to a T. By all means get on me, again. They aren’t trading him

We picked the one that ensured we’d be 5 mil+ short of the cap some will argue it’s a coincidence and not the driver lol Ya lol

No team is trading for him now. There’s no trade coming He’s walked to UFA

If you take my word for things it’ll lesson the sting when they inevitably come about

Hey

Honestly I’d prefer you to be the guy there responding to the trade requests then. The guy we have just bends over and asks them what team they’d like to go to

You won’t be able to find a post where I say I’m glad Peterka asked out, and that we should cheer him on as he does it I’m saying anything but understanding makes zero sense to me. I’m saying hating him for doing it doesn’t make sense to me. I’m saying we should want the players to be in good environments. ill never be “glad” a player feels they need to ask out to get it. I wish the players felt the good environment was here. But *I* don’t - why would I be surprised when they don’t

This is just a chasm away from my philosophical stance “Demanding (of loyalty)….Regardless of the circumstances” That’s…ya man you do you - - - it’s honestly sort of (see:outright) dark lol are you sure you’re not from the DC universe?

People really, really underplay this. People want to be like “they are an anomaly, a bastardization of a franchise under Pegula, an utter historical embarrassment” then move on to discussing a waiver add and say “ooooo okay I think you are painting with a broad brush” when it comes to that topic or the next lol. It’s not just something we say: the sabres under Terry are an absurdity, in truth. Where fans generally would be anti player upon leaving, yes, the sabres deserve a different reaction. One wants to pretend they deserve the same reaction as other teams: one know they do not. The results don’t bare it

No I clearly used your terminology but the sentiment was as in mock of others. I thought that would be clear cause those other stances are right there in the open, and you detailed yours on Dahlin if nothing else i’d merely be setting myself up for an easy dunking-on if not so..

And, it’s fine we disagree, here. For me it’s line in the sand type stuff, as it clearly is for you (when you curse, I know. You are always so calm lol) But, no, sports relative the sabres ARE the evil empire. This is I guess the thing I am most surprised to see people fail to grasp: the Sabres ARE, factually, a historical anomaly. They ARE the extreme. It really is possible to view them as the evil empire because that’s what they are. Extreme results, extreme stance. im not an extremist. I’m merely a realist

Dude, you might be the best poster here but you aren’t the whole board: my post wasn’t about you. It could only be disingenuous if I somehow was making the argument you specifically would say that. I’m sorry but you don’t have a monopoly on “f*ck” in this thread lol you made it clear in your post you wouldn’t blame Dahlin. There are plenty of other posters saying they’d side with the sabres given anything. Did you read those? Am I allowed to allude to them? Do you think I am afraid to quote you outright if I want to respond to you? We’ve been through the song and dance many times - i enjoy the sport of it - and I resent the above post

That’s precisely my point thank you for detailing it more eloquently than I ever could have Darcy did have to overcome. Adams doesn’t have to overcome anything. Because, as I keep saying, the owner and manager are part and parcel.

If he does, f*ck him

I’m not defending Botterill I’m saying being complicit with a strategy you KNOW is to the detriment of winning is harmful to the crest, actively YOU know, I know, Adams knows, that signing up for/initiating/being complicit with an EEE strategy is bad for winning Terry and Adams aren’t the sabres: they are Terry and Adams. I mean this literally: their primary goal isn’t the success of the franchise, it’s saving $ who do you think cares more about the sabres winning, Kevyn Adams? Or Mike Sheedy, the guy making this post. The guy who got here 5 years ago or the guy who was being woken up at 1 in the morning to be carried downstairs by his dad to watch a Dave Hannon OT goal 30+ years ago? Why am I here? To antagonize you all?

Honestly, I hope one day you are rewarded for your blind, unwavering, and unquestioned support. You deserve it. I know we are at odds a lot but we just see it differently: you post at me telling me to leave once a week, I get you want me gone, I’m sorry. I try not to respond to your posts generally because I anger you, but you keep quoting me. I’m trying to explain the organization is reliant on your mindset and using it. You’ve explained you are comfortable with that: all power to you then, thanks for the explanation in seriousness

Botterill “no, I won’t fire those men, I don’t believe in cutting costs” Adams “‘no, I don’t mind trying to win while intentionally handcuffing ourselves, just keep expectations low, thanks one of these is far, far more loyal to the crest and one is far more loyal to a paycheck. you aren’t supporting the Crest by sticking with them as Terry burns them down: you are actively harming them. I use the republic comp cause it’s true. It’s not illogical to say he’s selfish: it’s illogical to say “f*ck him for doing it” Because we, like him, know the organization is a bad place to be If your bias as a fan extends SO FAR so as to be able to hold it against him, in THIS case..yes, you truly are lost