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What he is saying is, taking guns will result in fire fights. I don’t think he’s incorrect. Any method will need to very carefully consider the 10s of thousands of these things already in circulation. It won’t be a quick path to eliminating mass shootings.

America has a unique problem with mass shootings. They don’t have a unique problem with mental illness, extreme nationalism, bullying, economic inequality, or any of a number of sociopolitical issues. The rest of the world has very readily solved the issue of mass shootings in the face of all of these non unique issues. The solution is very straight forward. You are still stuck on motivation when root cause is access.

Good. Lets start with what we already know works and move on from there.

Immediate action? Holy *****! This has been a problem for decades. How about some action?

Where am I misunderstanding? I acknowledged that you aren’t an NRA guy. I acknowledged that you aren’t buying what the GOP is selling. I am responding to you trying to justify doing all kinds of things that have been talking points for decades but don’t acknowledge the one thing that is common. Regardless of motivator or political-cultural landscape it had always been access that has determined mass shootings in USA.

You are focused on a changing rationale when you should be focused on an unchanging root cause. And I am saying you would be dismissed because of your unwillingness to accept the change needed to remove root cause.

Ugh. 3x post. Apologies. 0311, I suspect you are where I was 15yrs ago. You know the NRA is flat out lying to folks. And you know GOP is flat out lying to folks. And you know the position both of them hold in this discussion is wrong. But you are clinging to this ideal that because you are responsible and not inclined towards violence (I assume) that there must be a way to divine the risk from the responsible so everyone can have their cake and eat it too. But this is the flaw. There is a very direct correlation between market availability and number of incidents. No matter matter what root cause methodology you use, availability of these weapons and magazines are the root cause of mass shootings. Hopefully it doesn’t take another school getting shot up for your epiphany. The fact that you know already they are lying to you should have your spider sense tingling.

Except the contents of out safes are the least important of these. The right had wanted to study this to death for decades….. and never puts the funding in place to do the studies. This is a red herring. And we already know that banning assault weapons works as is. We’ve got the before and after data, and we have an entire world community as additional test cases. Study, study, study is deflection, deflection, deflection. And is why you are not going to grt to be part of the solution. Except the contents of out safes are the least important of these. The right had wanted to study this to death for decades….. and never puts the funding in place to do the studies. This is a red herring. And we already know that banning assault weapons works as is. We’ve got the before and after data, and we have an entire world community as additional test cases. Study, study, study is deflection, deflection, deflection. And is why you are not going to pgrt to be part of the solution. Except the contents of out safes are the least important of these. The right had wanted to study this to death for decades….. and never puts the funding in place to do the studies. This is a red herring. And we already know that banning assault weapons works as is. We’ve got the before and after data, and we have an entire world community as additional test cases. Study, study, study is deflection, deflection, deflection. And is why you are not going to pgrt to be part of the solution.

Another point. This tyranny of the minority via the need for 60 votes in the Senate will ultimately be overcome. There is a great majority that has had enough of the gun rights crowds insistence on not actively seeking ways to avoid the carnage. As a result of your insistence and truculence, you will not be at the table when decisions are finally made and moved forward. Your continued unwillingness to propose a solution within will keep you out. And consequently you will lose much more than if you would have acted proactively when offered the opportunity. Obfuscation like “A pistol without the ability to attach a suppressor or grip is still just as lethal. Just one example.” will be met with a response like, “oh Ok. We’ll ban those too. Thank you for your help”. If you want to be taken as serious regarding the problem of mass shootings, start pressing your leadership to make changes like mandatory background check, licensing, and mandatory storage requirements. Until that happens you will be seen (and rightfully so) as part of the problem. The time is rapidly running out for gun owners to step up and offer and implement solutions instead of spitting out the same rhetoric thats been spit for decades after every mass killing. We will move on without you. Edit- I get pissed, and am furious as I write this, because as a gun owner and shooter this stupid, stubborn unwillingness to accept change is going to end up negatively affecting me and the contents of my safe. And all I feel right now is a hearty ***** you to all of you that are willing to throw out the baby with the bath water.

It was an effective definition, and thats all that matters. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of better. And a well trained shooter is more lethal with a 20rd mag than 10: This is simple. Whether you liked the definition or not, The 1993 assault weapon ban worked. We have 3-4x the number of mass shootings compared to during the decade the assault weapon ban was in place. Frequency and number of mass shootings blew up immediately after it sunsetted. The definition and capacity restriction worked well enough to reduce mass shootings considerably. The word salad you are using is the same obfuscation the NRA has been using since I was a member in the 80’s and 90’s. The data is obvious. Mass shootings become more frequent as military variant weapons and high capacity magazines become more commercially available. It is time to permanently remove their commercial availability. Regardless ot whether you specifically are responsible enough to own them, we as a society have been demonstrating for decades that society is not responsible enough for them to remain on the market.

Assault weapon = the definition from the 1993 ban.

For those two specific options, I’d sign Forsberg. But, 1. That assumes he signs and 2. That also assumes that the entire discussion is limited to those two specific scenarios. Generally speaking, we are at a point in team building where there should be no reason to fear trading for a guy on a 2yr deal.

There is no reason to be afraid of guys with 2yrs remaining on their deals. If this team has truly turned a corner that is ample time to convince a guy to stay for another extension.

Also Watched clips. Didn’t click with me.

I’ve been watching clips on youtube trying to like it. I don’t get it.

#thingsthatonlyhappentoinkman

When has that ever stopped anyone?

I don’t even like them for law enforcement. Policing has different goals and problems than military. Police and military shouldn’t be using the same tactics, and don’t need the same tools. I’ll grudgingly accept police need them until they are completely out of civilian hands.

Ahh my memory was off. It was the Columbine shooting that took place just before the NRA convention, not Sandy Hook. ***** ridiculous that there are enough school shootings that I can’t keep them straight.

Ok, I am referring to sunsetting ownership of assault rifles. You appear to be talking about something else, maybe a more general gun ownership? If so, yes mandatory recorded transfer, background check, secure storage for general gun ownership. You can have Grampas gun. Re: the NRA, I came to that conclusion around 2000 and stopped giving them my money. The NRA of my youth taught marksmanship, worked with the NSSF, promoted and developed safety instruction programs. Today they just yell “they are coming for your guns”. The problem is, they’ve been yelling that since at least 1985 when I joined. Nearly 40 years of yelling “they are coming for your guns” and noone yet has come for your guns. And they still have millions of members. 🤦‍♂️

It’s such a bad look to even consider having that convention. IIRC they had a convention scheduled shortly after Sandy Hook and they recognized the optics of it and postponed the convention. Now, it’s so in-your-face that they likely consider it a sign of weakness to cancel. When Sandy Hook happened I was in 2 shooting leagues. One of the leagues shot the day after the Sandy Hook shooting. I felt just…… wrong…. getting out of my car with 2 gun cases to shoot in a local club match the day after all those kids were killed. The conversation inside was all about how they can’t let this destroy our rights. I lasted 2 more weeks and quit both leagues. I don’t know how anyone could go to that convention and sleep at night.

The idea is to sunset these things. It defeats the purpose.

I am open to continued ownership of assault rifles under a system similar to how NFA firearms are handled. The idea being that it is going to cost alot of money and be a genuine inconvenience to own these firearms. The maze that needs to be navigated will be sufficient to control access.

I think laws regarding storage for control of access is a must, with penalties for failure to control equivalent to accessory to murder. Yes junior, that means if you wanna own a gun you also need to own and use a safe. I think we need to mandate ALL transactions, even between family members, need to go through a licensed dealer and an FBI check performed. I think we need to eliminate the sale and transfer of magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds. I think the 1993 assault weapons ban needs to be re-implemented grandfathering in current privately owned firearms and owners. As the current owners sunset, so does ownership of these weapons. I think GOP needs to allow a director of the ATF to be appointed. I think the ATF needs to create a firearm ownership transfer database that manufactures, distributors, wholesalers, dealers MUST use when processing transactions. This is so the ownership chain of a firearm used in a crime can be readily established. It would also pinpoint where in the chain guns leak out into the black market. (I am not aware of this being required currently. It was not evident to me that firearm info was entered into a database the last time I bought a firearm last year) And I think the ATF should have a robust and properly funded audit team ensuring that database compliance is 100%.

Covid. Wife and I both. Sucks. Yesterday I coughed so hard I gave myself a hernia, so I’ve got that going for me. Makes up for losing the holiday weekend to illness.