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Outstanding, fellas!

I don't know, 'Lost In Space' used a ton of tin foil back in the day. Then again, they used inverted colanders for alien hats, so what do I know. Seriously though, that set really underscored the lengths Chuck was willing to go to to prey on Jimmy's affection for him.

I said from the very first episode that we are seeing the product of a creative team that could finish each other's sentences, which is what the experience of 'Breaking Bad' provided them. Plus, Gilligan isn't weighed down by the uncertainty of AMC execs deciding whether or not to renew the show for another season, like he was with 'Breaking Bad' when he had to write several series finale scenarios before season three. The team is much bolder in their choices with the freedom that complete backing from the network provides. I'm not surprised at all that some would say it's a better show, whatever that means. I'm content to simply enjoy both dramas on their own.

Schaller calling out some guys on the team. Interesting. Does anyone who regularly watches the Amerks have any idea who he may be alluding to here? Can't have any player who attended the 'Mario Williams School of Game Preparation.' GO SABRES!!!

The more I think about Chuck's treachery, the more insidious it seems. The one thing Chuck needed to pull it off, the only thing to assure success, was Jimmy's unconditional love for his brother. I think Chuck is an evil prick.

I'm guessing it was Gus or somebody that works for Gus that put the note on Mike's car. Yes, that was the truck driver that was whacked. And if this episode didn't convince you that Chuck is a manipulative, selfish, jealous A$$HOLE of the highest order, then I can only surmise you have a much more charismatic younger brother named Jimmy.

I seem to recall Kane playing with Larry and Gio this year, before Foligno got the job permanently. IIRC, he looked really good, too. GO SABRES!!!

Yeah, that picture says a ton about our gullibility as a society and everyone that preys upon it. If I could attach a syrupy Sam Elliot voice over, I would.

It says they don't have a phucking clue about America more than anything else.

What does it say about a legislature that would even conceive, write, vote for, and submit such a bill for passage in the United States of America? Another example of American sharia.

Great food for thought as always, qwk. What do you make of Mike buying a round for the bar?

God, I miss it. GO SABRES!!!

I hear ya and agree, but it is maddening. Perhaps it would be just fine if that entire segment of the electorate felt excluded because there were no candidates willing to compromise their integrity by saying what they need to hear and they refused to vote as a result.

Then why the phuck say it? I know, pandering. But christ, what does it say about a constituency when you have to come up with batschit crazy crap just to appeal to it? If a politician is that afraid of being honest with those he seeks to elect him, maybe he should just forget about that segment of the electorate. If they don't have anyone worth voting for, so be it. Idiots.

Absolutely. There is no denying that Jimmy, based on the early and middle episodes last year, really made a sincere attempt to leave slippin' Jimmy in the past. He worked hard, didn't cut corners, and earned it. Much of which had to do for the sole purpose of gaining Chuck's approval; there was nothing more important to Jimmy than that. Chuck's deliberate and sneaky manipulations behind the scenes with Howard to deny Jimmy the position at HHN, especially after bringing in Sandpiper, and Chuck's subsequent admission to Jimmy of that fact, was enough to convince Jimmy that no matter what he did, no matter how hard he toed the proper line of conduct, it was never gonna be enough. And even after all that, he gave Main and Davis a try. From a literary standpoint, Jimmy at least has the courage to face and accept who and what he is. That is more than I can say for Chuck and his cowardly, duplicitous attempts to continually undermine Jimmy's better efforts in the past.

I think this is an important point. Although I get the impression this locker room, as currently constructed, could absorb just about any personality type and he would assimilate. Hell, even Kane is coming around in that regard. GO SABRES!!!

You should review episode 9 from last year. Chuck has sympathetic qualities, but he's a flawed person. Nothing about him makes me want to snuggle in his space blanket. I seriously doubt Gilligan seeks to portray him as a paragon of virtue. He just isn't.

Ted Cruz comes across, even sounds like, a poor imitation of Mr. Haney from 'Green Acres.'

Like I said, Chuck has admirable qualities but I don't think it's Gilligan's intention to portray him as a paragon of moral integrity, either. He's flawed and blinded by his own ambition, ego, and jealousy of Jimmy. We've seen that in the series on several occasions now. I agree, this thread is an awesome discussion and I'm awed by the insights people are willing to share here.

You'll recall in season 1 after Jimmy and Chuck met with Sandpiper's lawyers and Chuck demanded $20m to settle, that night, while Jimmy was asleep, Chuck stepped outside to make a call. Thinks about that. Chuck steps OUTSIDE to use an electronic device. Such was his level of moitvation. Turns out he was calling Howard to tell him to cut Jimmy out of the case and deny him a position at HHM. The next day at his triumphant return to the HHM offices, Howard offers Jimmy the finder's fee and Chuck acts like he's surprised and hurt by Howard's dismissal of Jimmy when it was he who contrived to arrange it that way. Talk about a slippery manipulation. This was all revealed by Chuck to Jimmy later that evening. If that's not sabotage, I don't know what is. All this after Jimmy worked his ass off for a degree while working in the mail room and after all his hustle to land one of the biggest class action suits in New Mexico history. Chuck also was complicit in Kim's exile to the documents room in the basement at HHM earlier this season. I believe Chuck was willing to send Jimmy to jail because when Kim suggested that if the story Chuck was telling about the forgery was true, then Jimmy would be arrested for fraud, forgery, "even breaking and entering." Chuck says, "I don't like it any more than you do, but the facts are the facts." Chuck also went to great lengths to find the copy center and interrogate the store manager; first by sending Ernie and then risking his very health by leaving his comfort zone to question the store manager in person. So yeah, I think Chuck was hell bent on getting Jimmy arrested and charged. Let's face it, Chuck, while possessing many admirable and sympathetic qualities, is not above hurting a loved one out of ego and jealousy.

Kim knew Jimmy did it when listening to Chuck tell the story. But she chose to benefit from Jimmy's act, anyway. The arm punches and advice to "cross all Ts and dot all Is" only confirmed that she knew.

Is there a national chapter of the Chuck McGill Fan Club? I wanna join. The man is a saint; above acting in any malevolent way. Seriously though, he isn't the first sympathetic literary character with high morals and ethical standards that has been motivated by jealousy to harm a loved one. Sure, we can all say he was just protecting the firm and we can all listen as he professes how he loves his brother, but he was willing to send Jimmy to jail because "facts are facts." And to think he did anything short of trying to sabotage Jimmy's law career is willful blindness to what we saw in season 1. Great guy. Schitty older brother who puts conditions on his love for Jimmy, while Jimmy literally nursed him through many nights when there was nobody else around, no questions asked.

Agreed. That's been a running theme all season. She objects to the shady behavior up until she benefits from it. Her suggesting that one has to "cross every T and dot every I" when dealing with Chuck was indicative, I think. But that damned coffee cup still won't fit, I bet.

Chuck is the good guy? Are we forgetting how he royally screwed Jimmy over in season 1? Like all the characters in the show, he has sympathetic qualities, but his ego and jealousy of Jimmy have caused him to harm Jimmy professionally and personally.

Oh for phuck's sake. I am not missing the point on anything with regard to what a representative republic is or isn't. Not an absolute democracy? Thanks for the remedial 7th grade history lesson. You are too hung up on literal definitions of terms. If the wealthy few have a more powerful voice in our government than the rest of the electorate, it becomes perverted. I don't have the time or inclination to explain it all here. Read some studies that have been done that suggest that for the last 35 years the wealthy elite have better success in getting their political agendas passed at the expense of a wider spectrum of the electorate, especially the middle class and poor. What is that? I mean other than a form of government you are so willing to accept? And I don't think the money is filling the space we are not using. I think it is taking up space no longer available to us. Depends on perspective, I guess.