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Of course they do. Absolutely right. This relates to team structure as well, and the constant turnover of personnel and young personnel leads to failures in a system where players need to be covering for the D when they rush deep. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. The main thing however, and it's been a thing for a long time, is losing board battles. All too often they play perimeter possession and if they lose the puck they don't battle to get it back effectively and the other team gets to zone exit quickly and there are Sabres caught behind the play. They just don't fight for the puck and every year there's at least 3 or 4 discussions of "soft' that come up. Off season talks about getting tougher but it never seems to happen.

Oh yeah, it all feeds on itself. But even going back to that 91 point season that seems a lifetime ago even though it was only 3 years ago, they weren't good on the cycle. They scored on rushes and for about 6-7 weeks they also scored when Tage dropped bombs on the PP. But that got figured out by other teams and so down the stretch they were back to just scoring on the rush. They didn't do a good job on the cycle even in that season that Granato had them focusing primarily on offense figuring he'd teach them defense later. Well, when looking back on it, it wasn't just D he didn't teach them; he didn't teach them much offensively either, and the same guys that were here back then (except Ellis who's still a coach, just not on the bench) are still here trying to finally figure out how to teach them to play defense and how to work a functional cycle. Do realize that for whatever reason ownership doesn't want to punt the failed coaches (at least not unless a golden child is available to replace any of them; and how a golden child is defined is anyones guess) but how much money is getting thrown away in lost ticket sales, lost merchandise sales, lost concession sales, and lost playoff revenue. That has to dwarf whatever these guys still have left to earn this last year of their deals. And agree, they've been very bad against the rush in the past; and if the last non-ENG of last night is any indication, they're still going to be bad against it. EDIT: Sorry @dudacek, didn't mean to go negative in the Hopium thread.

No one on here is interested in intelligent, rational discussions with someone who's views don't perfectly align with thier own. Case in point, the Big Beautiful Bill thread. No one had an interest in reading it and discussing the pros and cons. Case in point #2, any time there's a response to something I post, regardless of subject or content, certain posters can't help themselves from injecting Trump or MAGA. Case in point #3, when I called out K-9 for his obvious hypocrisy, he said, "sue me", and then put me on ignore. Case in point #4, almost every post of mine is met with a laughing emoji from Demoted. LGR just up and quit. You don't post much. Who's left?

Cleveland lost. Time to be a Jays fan.

I think I will stick to stretches and PT.

Who?

Just as "expenses" are probably more than just player and employee salaries and benefits (advertising, travel, taxes, rent, etc.), I assume "revenue" is more than just ticket sales and TV broadcasting revenue. Things like merchandising, sponsorships, food sales, etc. It woul dbe really interesting to see all of the expenses and all of the revenues.

Great topic... just disgusted... Sabres are the NHL version of the NY Jests.

The topic was Sabres toal payroll and I mentioned that the gutted the entire organization since Covid and the departure of Botts, and upon the arrival of Adams. True enough, the entire 14 years of Pegula hockey has been a shambles. Adams traded Reinhart and Eichel, lost Montour, Ullmark and McCabe - all of that hurt the product on the ice. Paying Muel, Cozens, and Power and consistently icing very young teams far under the cap - that hurt. Peterka wanting out is another sign of problems. If this year is another bust then there will be more "Peterka's" wanting out.

His muscle tissue was weak before he was drafted.

His was just a finger though, but hey, I'm here to offer options.

Hits and physicality are not the same thing. They guys you mentioned knew how to muscle someone out of the crease or get their bodies in people’s way. Power Ole’s people as they skate by and has no idea how to move someone out of the crease.

If the PP we saw yesterday was the reworked version Appert and Ventura should be fired immediately. It was the same old same old; pass the puck to Tage for a one timer.

Seth Appert talks about how he reworked the power play, with the help of Sam Ventura https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-training-camp-power-play-seth-appert

God you've becoming annoying. Truly condescending in annoying carrying water in every thread for this team. I'll spell it out for you then. I don't give a ***** on this earth if billionaire Terry Pegula makes a dime off the Sabres. His product is boring, middling, and awful. Now when you come back with "well don't watch then!" Don't worry ppl don't and the revenue reflects that. Just obnoxious. Thxs for mansplanning that a hockey team doesn't just have to pay the 90 million in player contracts. Liger, the guy on this stupid website with the most posts would never have guessed coaches, gms, scouts, maintenance ppl etc... work for the Sabres because I'm too ***** stupid. Edit: if Terry Pegula is spending 200 million a year on this team, then he's not getting his money's worth and neither are we.

No. I can look it up.

Are you familiar with Ronnie Lott’s approach to these kind of things?

I am still in PT - stretches, strength training, and more stretches for hammy, hips, glutes. I am doing knee bends (squats) or seated leg press, but keep in mind I have to knee replacements so there are limits. Sometimes it feels better, but then the pain comes back.

What’s the timeline on all of this? Given the 14 year drought, I’d at least question whether or not it hurt the product on the ice. You can’t break something that’s already broken.

It would be interesting to know the answer to your question. Keep in mind that Terry and Kim gutted the PSE and Sabres staff across the board back in COVID, including many long time employees. They have rebuilt some of the Hockey FO since then, but the EEE policies put in that drove Botts out have really hurt the product on the ice and the teams' perception throughout the NHL.

Goddam poison ivy man. First time and I don't think I ever want to go in the woods again. Savage plant.

With age comes increased strength. Hoping the strength, and age, and experience, and confidence breeds some physical edge to him. If he never, ever, will play with more physical presence then I would move him. But he is 22 and we don't know yet. Dahlin provides more offense and is physical and tough. Byram provides just as much offense and is more physical than Power.