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Personally think it is improbable the Sabres will pull UPL on the basis of one NHL outing after one AHL conditioning game and no training camp. If the Sabres go with three goalies, he is one of them. If they go with two, my bet it is Lyon and UPL Think it is unfortunate Ellis had a stiff back taking him out of perhaps the biggest game of his career, Hockey Night in Canada in Toronto in front of millions. Wonder if stress didn’t contribute to his back ache?
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Playing UPL was a reasonable decision given the choices. Ellis was supposed to start but because of his stiffen back couldn't play. (That's what was reported.) So the choice was between playing UPL or playing Lyon on a back-to-back. Criticizing UPL's is understandable. But criticizing him playing has less merit given the circumstances. We have opposite views on Power. I certainly don't consider him to be a defensive stalwart. But that isn't his game and never will be his game. What you and other critics of him are unwilling to yield on is that his style of play is never going to be agreeable to you. I'm confident that he will be one of our emerging and mainstay players for us.
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Their rarely having early leads under Granato isn't true? Don't know if your stat is correct or not, but will give you the benefit of the doubt it is for sake of discussion. Donny coached them for 274 games. You've got them having a lead going into the 3rd 68 times. That's having a lead heading into the 3rd just under 25% of the time. How seldom does it have to happen to be considered "rare?" Under Donny they were rarely ready to go to start the game. He did have them play better in the 3rd (and playing well in the 3rd is truly important, but so is showing up to start the game) but they were regularly behind the 8 ball by then and score effects are real especially when a good team doesn't take a bad team seriously.
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Yes, I get that Ellis was supposed to get the net last night. Again, the Sabres roster should not have been in the 3 goalie configuration at that point. UPL should have been in Cleveland, that would have been better for him. Last night might have been Levi if possible, or Lyon once again. Giving Lyon a rest, and still getting 1 point is not the worst outcome.
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The 5 headed Goalie Monster - What is the solution?
GASabresIUFAN replied to GASabresIUFAN's topic in The Aud Club
As they proved last night by playing UPL after one rehab start instead of leaving him in Rochester the full two weeks. Adams will say that UPL needs a few starts to get in a groove. Unfortunately, the Sabres don't have that luxury. -
It looks like we finally have a good number of options in goal. Time to trim the fat.
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Agreed on this point. I feel like Lindy had the decision on starting Ellis, and made the right one. Unfortunately, injury prevented him from starting. Plan B could have been bring up Levi or Gorgiev from Rochester to take the game and keep UPL in The AHL for the allotted time for rehab (2 weeks I read in another thread?). This is an Adams decision that played out to be ill conceived. What’s abundantly obvious is Lyon is THE number one, but the board sentiment, and maybe even our coaching staff has Ellis as a clear number 2. Especially after Mr. softies -1.9 expected last night.
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The forwards were already deep. Quinn was first in, he was very deep and never cycled back. Tage was next in and was flying, when he missed his shot the puck was loose. Power could hang back and face a likely 2 on 1, normal for OT hockey, or come up and take a high danger shot to win it. He made the right choice but could not control the puck. All three skaters failed to convert and all three were deep. From there the Sabres needed a play from the goalie to stay alive. Thompson got back just enough to keep Taveras from moving inside, actually making UPLs job a little easier. But the goalie had the wrong angle and decided to drop to his knees, exposing the top of the net. Tough bounce, bad luck, and poor play all rolled into one.
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You and I are in accord that we don't believe that UPL will be the answer in net. As I stated in a prior post, KA jumped the gun in his evaluation of him. He made an overvalued projection based on a good season. You are presenting a key question as to whether the organization will continue playing him because they have invested in him? Smartly run organizations wouldn't do so, especially for this mercurial position. Few hockey people would consider the Sabres to be a smart organization. UPL playing last night was due to uncontrollable circumstances. Reports are that Ellis was supposed to get the start but had a stiff back. So the choice was between playing Lyon on consecutive nights or rushing UPL in. In my view, playing UPL last night was a reasonable decision. On WGR a couple of days ago, Bulldog's son who works for WGR and was a goalie pointed out that Ellis has had a better developmental career than UPL leading into their NHL play. As you well know, KA gets invested in players and doubles down on them. When you make bad decisions on such a critical position, you handicap yourself.
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It's really the state of goaltending period. If a Stanly cup winner and last years presidents trophy runner up had worse nights than our goalie who missed a big portion of training camp, it's just something that happens. I would describe the frustration with UPL as a state of Inconsistency. Even last year he had good periods of play in the fall and early winter. What I would add that goaltending in the NHL is not what it used to be. Lets look at the number of goaltenders with a save percentage better than .910 by year season ending number 25 10 24 16 UPL was 16th. 23 17 22 26 21 25 20 30 19 29 18 31 I am not pointing this out to excuse UPL, just to say that there are very few magic bullets out there. You could turn to the unknown quantities but shooting is getting better and will probably end up torching unprepared rookies. Lots of teams are looking for that guy who can give you .910 all season long.
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When I peeked at NHL scores at the start of the game and saw UPL as starting goalie I hate to say I expected what I just finished reading about here, a loss. I am happy they got a loser point but agree with PA that every ten game segment is important to make it above the playoff line. A one game conditioning assignment after a single pre-season period is just another example of the asinine management practices of the idiot GM this team has. When he is finally fired I guarantee you will never hear or see of this person in an NHL management decision making role. He should be cleaning all the restrooms after games at the rink.
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Power took a gamble going deep when both forwards were deep, and he failed. The puck was moving crazily and he missed it, despite his having good hands. Yes, he blew it too, but he was given a green light to do that and just about every coach would agree with it UPL was called on to bail them out. He inexplicably took the wrong angle, then he fell to his knees and made himself smaller, giving a sniper like Taveras the top of the net. Did you see Ellis on the breakaways that he stopped? He did the opposite of UPL. He took away a lot more net by coming out correctly and challenging the shooter. UPL’s ability to anticipate what the shooter can do is a major weakness for him.
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I could kiss you. We do this every year. Playoff position vs. playoff pace. The first 10 game segment has not turned into the disaster it looked like it could be, but the Sabres are below a playoff pace. Even with a win on Tuesday, they likely the rest of the way will need to pick up an extra point over the 12 point per 10 game pace that almost always puts a team into the postseason.
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I am more upset that he was called up from conditioning so quickly, after one game. It was obvious he was not ready to play. The team kept the shots down, they played pretty solid around him all night, that game should have never went to OT. I don’t faith in UPL after last season. You can hear his teammates sticking up for him after the game. That’s fine. That’s good actually. But it is possible that UPL is going to get games because they invested in him. The Sabres organization is looking at 15 years, and that includes 5 years with the current core. Every game is important. Every point is important. Every opportunity to close out a win is a test of this team’s meddle.
