What does the Tuch trade look like?

[Broken Ankles]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Terry has his next GM sitting right there.  Do you think Terry will spend the time to interview GMs if he replaces Adams?  

He didn't do that when he fired Boterill.  

Unless Terry decides he does not like or trust him, Jarmo is the next GM.  

We might be better off with a Hudsucker Proxy scenario where Terry hires the mailroom clerk instead.  But I gots a feelin' Jarmo was more a “waiting in the wings” type of a successor.  

[Pimlach]

51 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

yeah, mostly joking, but if we're looking for some combination of NHL ready (or near NHL ready) rather than picks I feel like that's the kind of guy we can expect back - 

Maybe Savoie and a 1st for Tuch?   Which wouldn't excite me, but teams that are buyers aren't usually giving up good NHL pieces in rerturn.

We don't want Savoie back at all.   He is behind Kulich, and now you can see that Östlund and Rosen have passed him.  Pretty soon Helenius.  

I want to keep Tuch as part of the next re-tool if possible.  I certainly see the dilemma of a long term, big dollar contract though. 

[Brawndo]

11 hours ago, Pimlach said:

So we are trading Tuch now??? 

why would anyone entertain this rumor?   I don’t want Adams trading anybody.   Fire Adams and let the new GM handle  the roster.  

They need to give Tuch a deadline to make a decision on whether or not he wants an extension in Buffalo, although I have a feeling he is leaning towards joining another organization. 
 

Losing him for nothing July 1st is not an option. 

[LGR4GM]

5 hours ago, Pimlach said:

We don't want Savoie back at all.   He is behind Kulich, and now you can see that Östlund and Rosen have passed him.  Pretty soon Helenius.  

I want to keep Tuch as part of the next re-tool if possible.  I certainly see the dilemma of a long term, big dollar contract though. 

Savoie doesn't play the type of hockey we should want to play. 

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

They need to give Tuch a deadline to make a decision on whether or not he wants an extension in Buffalo, although I have a feeling he is leaning towards joining another organization. 
 

Losing him for nothing July 1st is not an option. 

They need to give Adams a deadline to make a decision on whether or not he wants to extend Tuch in Buffalo, although I have a feeling he is leaning towards joining another organization. 
 

Losing him for nothing July 1st is not an option. 

[clink]

Maaaan, not Tuch 

I get that $hit isn't looking very promising at the moment (or, for the last decade+ TBF) but trading away Mr Upstate NY really sends home the message that rebuild 3.0 is reality 

Edited 19 hours ago by clink

[DarthEbriate]

18 hours ago, Pimlach said:

We don't want Savoie back at all.   He is behind Kulich, and now you can see that Östlund and Rosen have passed him.  Pretty soon Helenius.  

Are you trying to jinx the upcoming game against the Oilers? Saying all this --- Savoie is going to score 3-1-4 in his return and every Sabres prospect scorer is going to suffer injuries that night. 😇

To appease the gods, I'll add: Savoie is a fantastic young talent and we wish him the best in his future endeavors (except against Buffalo) and McLeod fills a greater need on the current roster.

[JohnC]

21 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Terry has his next GM sitting right there.  Do you think Terry will spend the time to interview GMs if he replaces Adams?  

He didn't do that when he fired Boterill.  

Unless Terry decides he does not like or trust him, Jarmo is the next GM.  

Is Jarmo currently actively or at least collaborating on personnel decisions? Was he a Pegula recommended addition or was it a KA add after being instructed by the owner to find an experienced staffer to help him out?  It is not a healthy organizational situation to be in where you have staff waiting in the wings (maybe so?) because you then have people looking over their shoulders worried about their status and influence. Terry Pegula has created a third-rate organization, and the results are proof of that dysfunction. 

[Pimlach]

23 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Are you trying to jinx the upcoming game against the Oilers? Saying all this --- Savoie is going to score 3-1-4 in his return and every Sabres prospect scorer is going to suffer injuries that night. 😇

To appease the gods, I'll add: Savoie is a fantastic young talent and we wish him the best in his future endeavors (except against Buffalo) and McLeod fills a greater need on the current roster.

I am answering another poster.   We don not want/need Savoie at this time.  

[Captain Caveman]

People are missing my point - I'm not saying I want Savoie, or anyone like him - 

I'm saying that's the kind of player you're most likely getting back in an in-season trade for Tuch.  I don't like it anymore than you - 

Teams are generally trading for a guy like Tuch for their run and not giving away pieces that would be valuable this season.

Edited 14 hours ago by Captain Caveman

[Crusader1969]

4 hours ago, clink said:

Maaaan, not Tuch 

I get that $hit isn't looking very promising at the moment (or, for the last decade+ TBF) but trading away Mr Upstate NY really sends home the message that rebuild 3.0 is reality 

You can't force him to re-sign

not too mention his age and the contract he will expect

would love to see him back for 4 or 5 more years but have to explore options 

[kas23]

2 hours ago, Captain Caveman said:

People are missing my point - I'm not saying I want Savoie, or anyone like him - 

I'm saying that's the kind of player you're most likely getting back in an in-season trade for Tuch.  I don't like it anymore than you - 

Teams are generally trading for a guy like Tuch for their run and not giving away pieces that would be valuable this season.

I would go in search for some teams doing it the right way who may want to accelerate their rebuild and trade some of their pots of gold (young players) for a proven vet. A team like ANA or SJ may do something like this. Otherwise, I agree, a proven playoff team probably won’t send you someone off their roster of equal value. I know this is spinning the wheels, but I don’t want him walking for nothing, nor do I want him to dictate where he goes. 

[gilbert11]

8 hours ago, clink said:

Maaaan, not Tuch 

I get that $hit isn't looking very promising at the moment (or, for the last decade+ TBF) but trading away Mr Upstate NY really sends home the message that rebuild 3.0 is reality 

Yeah, he may be my favorite Sabre right now.    Unless it’s what he really wants, if they trade him for garbage, I’m done with this team.

[Mr Peabody]

Huge risk for Sabres as there’s little reason for Tuch to extend before going to free agency.   Would have to be a (perceived)  massive overpay or a complete reorg that he’d feel could make us competitive.  Regardless, if he was my kid I’d strongly advise him to hold off until mid July. 

[clink]

3 hours ago, gilbert11 said:

Yeah, he may be my favorite Sabre right now.    Unless it’s what he really wants, if they trade him for garbage, I’m done with this team.

I feel ya 

I don't think I could ever divorce myself from this franchise 

Losing our hometown boy certainly would sour my feelings for a good while, TBH 

[clink]

6 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

You can't force him to re-sign

not too mention his age and the contract he will expect

would love to see him back for 4 or 5 more years but have to explore options 

100% (on the "force him to..." statement) 

If there is ONE guy I don't mind an overpay on, I gotta go with Tuch (with acknowledgement of mgmt's history of handing out the occasional bad contract, and poor roster constructicon. I wouldn't consider Tuch's future contract a bad decision). He's, literally, one of us, he's talented, AND plays with passion.   

In an ideal scenario, Tuch is leading any future playoff run. 

I also understand that reality and "ideally" aren't always the best roommates... 

This franchise hurts my heart at times...

[Alaska John]

Come on, does it really matter?  The annual November collapse is in progress and by the end of 2025 the playoffs will once again be out of reach.  I would love to have Tuch around but for his sake don't crush his career with this Pegula-Adams fiasco.