Sabres interested in Yegor Chinakhov?

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Hell no to Krebs and Helenius.  

Krebs and Helen-of-Troy instead.  

What about Krebs and non- first round pick?

[Pimlach]

Just now, Eleven said:

That's an overpay.

It probably will be down the road.  Krebs straight up, and then we cross our fingers. 

Personally, I want a known commodity top 6 player, not and injury prone player, or an over the hill player.  The Sabres just keep dabbling on the fringes of the roster and we  could end up with team of strangers with little veteran leadership - like last season.  

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

What about Krebs and non- first round pick?

The Sabres have one of the least impressive center spines in the league (even if TNT plays center) and Norris is lucky to play over 55 games. 

Why are we wanting to trade a center who has gotten better in the dot every season (and is now not a complete liability at 49 FO%) and hits (136) and will actually defend his teammates, and put up 10 goals in 4th line minutes...

... for yet another oft-injured, non-hitting, quality-shooting winger whose best season is 16 goals and he hasn't had half as many in any other year despite getting 3rd line minutes? Goalofsson is a more dangerous and consistent scorer than Chinakov at this point.

[Pimlach]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

What about Krebs and non- first round pick?

How about they get out of the bargain bins and make a move for a known good player that is proven?   When will that ever happen?  

[JohnC]

Just now, DarthEbriate said:

The Sabres have one of the least impressive center spines in the league (even if TNT plays center) and Norris is lucky to play over 55 games. 

Why are we wanting to trade a center who has gotten better in the dot every season (and is now not a complete liability at 49 FO%) and hits (136) and will actually defend his teammates, and put up 10 goals in 4th line minutes...

... for yet another oft-injured, non-hitting, quality-shooting winger whose best season is 16 goals and he hasn't had half as many in any other year despite getting 3rd line minutes? Goalofsson is a more dangerous and consistent scorer than Chinakov at this point.

I like Krebs as an effort player. However, I see him as being very replaceable. 

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

How about they get out of the bargain bins and make a move for a known good player that is proven?   When will that ever happen?  

Most good players have no move clauses which limits our options in pursing bigger deals. It’s an ugly reality that this troubled franchise has to contend with. 

[Broken Ankles]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I like Krebs as an effort player. However, I see him as being very replaceable. 

This.  One notch above JAG.  Noah waits in the wings.  Played solidly in his 8-game tryout last year. 

[Pimlach]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Most good players have no move clauses which limits our options in pursing bigger deals. It’s an ugly reality that this troubled franchise has to contend with. 

Indeed.   This story has been replayed many times.  

 

[JohnC]

23 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Indeed.   This story has been replayed many times.  

 

I strongly believe that internal improvement by the young core(Power, Quinn, Kulich and Benson, and to a lesser degree Samuelsson) will be a big determining factor for success this season. It’s apparent that the GM is betting on it.For me, a big gamble is being placed on UPL by the GM. I’m very queasy about that.

Edited yesterday at 09:20 PM by JohnC

[DarthEbriate]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I like Krebs as an effort player. However, I see him as being very replaceable. 

Krebs is easily replaceable.

From production to health, Chinakov looks extremely replaceable, too. Moreso because he's a winger only.

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said:

Krebs is easily replaceable.

From production to health, Chinakov looks extremely replaceable, too. Moreso because he's a winger only.

I’m not wedded to Chenakov. Jarmo’s input about this player should be helpful. 

[Pimlach]

35 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I strongly believe that internal improvement by the young core(Power, Quinn, Kulich and Benson, and to a lesser degree Samuelsson) will be a big determining factor for success this season. It’s apparent that the GM is betting on it.For me, a big gamble is being placed on UPL by the GM. I’m very queasy about that.

So 25% of the young players must step up and improve AND let’s not forget that the top 25% must also stay heathy and have a good season, AND we have to get much better goaltending than last season, AND we have to fix the Power Play.   Team defense, team mental toughness, the ability to hold leads, the ability to avoid losing streaks -   There are a lot of factors that have to come together.  
 

Looking forward to it but right now I’m not sure they did enough. 

[LabattBlue]

I love when trade proposals pop up and include Krebs or Rosen.  One guy is trying to remake himself into a 4th line grinder, and the other will probably be back across the pond within a couple of years.  I doubt a single GM is calling and asking about either of them. 

[Eleven]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

What about Krebs and non- first round pick?

 

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

It probably will be down the road.  Krebs straight up, and then we cross our fingers. 

Personally, I want a known commodity top 6 player, not and injury prone player, or an over the hill player.  The Sabres just keep dabbling on the fringes of the roster and we  could end up with team of strangers with little veteran leadership - like last season.  

I think some people are way too quick to dump Krebs.

Edited 23 hours ago by Eleven

[JohnC]

37 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

So 25% of the young players must step up and improve AND let’s not forget that the top 25% must also stay heathy and have a good season, AND we have to get much better goaltending than last season, AND we have to fix the Power Play.   Team defense, team mental toughness, the ability to hold leads, the ability to avoid losing streaks -   There are a lot of factors that have to come together.  
 

Looking forward to it but right now I’m not sure they did enough. 

KA is the GM. Did you expect boldness and creativity from him? 

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Most good players have no move clauses which limits our options in pursing bigger deals. It’s an ugly reality that this troubled franchise has to contend with. 

This might as well be an ai response 

literally what the chat GP spits out for Adams’s press conferences 

Let’s do better here 

[LGR4GM]

52 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

So 25% of the young players must step up and improve AND let’s not forget that the top 25% must also stay heathy and have a good season, AND we have to get much better goaltending than last season, AND we have to fix the Power Play.   Team defense, team mental toughness, the ability to hold leads, the ability to avoid losing streaks -   There are a lot of factors that have to come together.  
 

Looking forward to it but right now I’m not sure they did enough. 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

This might as well be an ai response 

literally what the chat GP spits out for Adams’s press conferences 

Let’s do better here 

You don’t believe that it is true and an inhibiting factor in pursuing higher level players? 

[Thorny]

30 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You don’t believe that it is true and an inhibiting factor in pursuing higher level players? 

It’s simply a statement of fact - yet devoid of context - akin to the sort of excuse making diatribe one might hear at your average Kevyn Adams concert 

everyone gets it. It doesn’t matter, relative to: the bar being merely their ability to field a playoff team *once* in 5 years. The discussion isn’t about becoming a mainstay Stanley cup contender. You know who can whine? The Jets and their fans.

They are frequently (and most recently) ranked WELL below Buffalo *even now(!!!)* on player destination lists, bust their ***** because that’s the job..sorry, let me rephrase that: simply operate with basic competence because that’s the job, and due to the fact *mediocre* teams make the playoffs every year they’ve found a way to make the playoffs…8 times. THEY are hard done by from the system cause they’d be doing even better if not for the handcuffs 

we squander what we have. Theres no compelling case we are being screwed out of anything we wouldn’t screw up ourselves

no, it is not an inhibiting factor - not a reasonable one to the small ask we have of a singular playoff appearance 

Beyond this, Adams has proven he CAN acquire higher level players: McLeod is a higher level player, relative to the simple goal we are trying to achieve. As is Zucker.

what did McLeod cost? Only some humbleness. Cutting away a little bit of your slow play plan, admitting defeat and choosing to be better. Namely: a prospective player. 

it hasn’t been ability that has held Adams back, primarily, neither inside the individual nor without: it has been the will to act. The will to deviate - because his plan lacked the will, to begin with 

Edited 22 hours ago by Thorny

[JohnC]

19 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It’s simply a statement of fact - yet devoid of context - akin to the sort of excuse making diatribe one might hear at your average Kevyn Adams concert 

everyone gets it. It doesn’t matter, relative to: the bar being merely their ability to field a playoff team *once* in 5 years. The discussion isn’t about becoming a mainstay Stanley cup contender. You know who can whine? The Jets and their fans.

They are frequently (and most recently) ranked WELL below Buffalo *even now(!!!)* on player destination lists, bust their ***** because that’s the job..sorry, let me rephrase that: simply operate with basic competence because that’s the job, and due to the fact *mediocre* teams make the playoffs every year they’ve found a way to make the playoffs…8 times. THEY are hard done by from the system cause they’d be doing even better if not for the handcuffs 

we squander what we have. Theres no compelling case we are being screwed out of anything we wouldn’t screw up ourselves

no, it is not an inhibiting factor - not a reasonable one to the small ask we have of a singular playoff appearance 

Beyond this, Adams has proven he CAN acquire higher level players: McLeod is a higher level player, relative to the simple goal we are trying to achieve. As is Zucker.

what did McLeod cost? Only some humbleness. Cutting away a little bit of your slow play plan, admitting defeat and choosing to be better. Namely: a prospective player. 

it hasn’t been ability that has held Adams back, primarily, neither inside the individual nor without: it has been the will to act. The will to deviate - because his plan lacked the will, to begin with 

Do you really think that I’m unaware of the limitations of KA? Have you read my posts about his lack of ability as a GM and his less than mediocre performance during his tenure? You may expect him to act beyond his ability but I don’t.

[RPop]

3rd round draft pick, I wouldn’t give up Krebs or anyone else from the roster. If he cracks the bottom 6 fine. 

[Mr. MVP]

It’s hard to say what his value is.  His contract isn’t a deterrent.  His health and inexperience is.  I could see him possibly having a higher upside than Quinn.  There were times when he played he looked better than Quinn at least. 
I think it comes down to what Jarmo thinks of his injuries and probably the attitude he carries.  If jarmo says he quits on his teammates and doesn’t go full when he’s not happy, then pass. 

[Stads]

18 hours ago, Eleven said:

 

I think some people are way too quick to dump Krebs.

I totally agree. I probably like Krebs a lot more than most on this board. I would love to see him if this team ever was actually good. I can't fully explain why I think that way. Just something about the dude

[JohnC]

19 hours ago, Pimlach said:

So 25% of the young players must step up and improve AND let’s not forget that the top 25% must also stay heathy and have a good season, AND we have to get much better goaltending than last season, AND we have to fix the Power Play.   Team defense, team mental toughness, the ability to hold leads, the ability to avoid losing streaks -   There are a lot of factors that have to come together.  
 

Looking forward to it but right now I’m not sure they did enough. 

Yes. That's exactly where we are at. We are on an icy and snow filled road without snow tires. Slippery and dicey situation that calls for luck beyond one's control. 

[Archie Lee]

28 minutes ago, Stads said:

I totally agree. I probably like Krebs a lot more than most on this board. I would love to see him if this team ever was actually good. I can't fully explain why I think that way. Just something about the dude

I’m an unabashed Krebs fan. I think he will be a Yanni Gourde / Alex Killorn middle-6 glue player for a really good NHL team one day.