Sabres interested in Yegor Chinakhov?

[oddoublee]

Not sure anything more than a 2nd round pick and a B prospect is worth it for this guy. Worth a flyer...but this isn't a guy you trade anything significant for....especially Benson. Id revolt 

[Carmel Corn]

IMHO he has leverage with Columbus.  He can go to the KHL otherwise.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benson_(TV_series)

It wasn't a very good show.

But the show the character started out on was one of the best ever.

[kas23]

2 hours ago, TheAud said:

Live look-in at Kevyn Adam's office

Is this Samuelsson, Norris, and Greenway coming up with a plan?

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

With respect to the first three names you gave you are giving up more than you get in return. That’s not a prudent way to go.

In our opinion, yes. What is Columbus' take? Who was the name floated around from the Blues in exchange for Byram? Jake Neighbors? Blues fans said he's untouchable. To us, we rather take Kyrou and/or Holloway. We might settle for Neighbors. 😂 All in the eye of the beholder.

Aren't we always saying Adams needs to make a big swing, overpay to make something happen? 

Edited 4 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[kas23]

14 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

IMHO he has leverage with Columbus.  He can go to the KHL otherwise.

He very well might do this once he finds outs he’s being traded to the Sabres. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Giving up 20yr old Benson, a guy with elite defensive metrics for a 24yr old with worse defense, who can't stay healthy is a terrible idea.

I long for the day when I don't have to defend Benson. That day is rapidly approaching. 

I'm not advocating for Benson. I agree he's worth keeping. But would you trade Quinn? That seems like a fair exchange. One often injured player with potential for another? But someone gets moved if we add a forward.

Just now, kas23 said:

He very well might do this once he finds outs he’s being traded to the Sabres. 

Naw. Buffalo would feel like home to them.

Edited 4 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, oddoublee said:

Not sure anything more than a 2nd round pick and a B prospect is worth it for this guy. Worth a flyer...but this isn't a guy you trade anything significant for....especially Benson. Id revolt 

And you blame Adams for not being able to make a deal. 😂😂

[oddoublee]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

And you blame Adams for not being able to make a deal. 😂😂

What would you give up for him?

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

What would you give up for him?

First let me ask how bad do you want him! And if you add him, where does he play and who does he knock off the roster? 

Ideally you offer that Sabre plus a pick or a non-A level prospect. Does Chinakhov replace Krebs? Offer Krebs. But you are not getting anything for a low prospect and a 2nd.

Edited 4 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[JohnC]

15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

In our opinion, yes. What is Columbus' take? Who was the name floated around from the Blues in exchange for Byram? Jake Neighbors? Blues fans said he's untouchable. To us, we rather take Kyrou and/or Holloway. We might settle for Neighbors. 😂 All in the eye of the beholder.

Aren't we always saying Adams needs to make a big swing, overpay to make something happen? 

Absolutely not! There's a big difference between taking a big swing and a dumb swing. There has to be a general balance in value between what you give up and what you give back. I'm sure that Byram was dangled on the market. Apparently, the return was inadequate. So he was signed on a short-term deal. That was the right course of action, at least as I see it. It was known that JJP wanted out. So he was dealt. In my opinion, the return for him was reasonable. 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Giving up 20yr old Benson, a guy with elite defensive metrics for a 24yr old with worse defense, who can't stay healthy is a terrible idea.

I long for the day when I don't have to defend Benson. That day is rapidly approaching. 

I'll agree with you on this Benson take. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Absolutely not! There's a big difference between taking a big swing and a dumb swing. There has to be a general balance in value between what you give up and what you give back. I'm sure that Byram was dangled on the market. Apparently, the return was inadequate. So he was signed on a short-term deal. That was the right course of action, at least as I see it. It was known that JJP wanted out. So he was dealt. In my opinion, the return for him was reasonable. 

Sometimes I feel like people just want a swing. 

 

[oddoublee]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

First let me ask how bad do you want him! And if you add him, where does he play and who does he knock off the roster? 

Ideally you offer that Sabre plus a pick or a non-A level prospect. Does Chinakhov replace Krebs? Offer Krebs. But you are not getting anything for a low prospect and a 2nd.

I just don't want him that badly. And they are not trading him for Krebs from my perspective. 

[PromoTheRobot]

7 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

I just don't want him that badly. And they are not trading him for Krebs from my perspective. 

Jarmo Kekalainen was the GM who drafted him. In fact Chinakhov was expected to go in RDS 2-3 when Jarmo took him at 21 overall in 2020. So he must have liked the kid. 

Edited 3 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Sometimes I feel like people just want a swing. 

 

Of course, some people do. So what? Taking a big swing just to give an appearance of doing something significant makes little sense if in the end it is make your roster worse.  

[oddoublee]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Jarmo Kekalainen was the GM who drafted him. In fact Chinakhov was expected to go in RDS 2-3 when Jarmo took him at 21 overall in 2020. So he must have liked the kid. 

I'm sure he does. Doesn't mean he likes him Benson or 1st round picks like him

[Eleven]

24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Sometimes I feel like people just want a swing. 

 

That doesn't make it smart.

[GASabresIUFAN]

39 minutes ago, Eleven said:

That doesn't make it smart.

But it doesn't make it wrong either.  Adams needs to take some risks to improve the team.  

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm not advocating for Benson. I agree he's worth keeping. But would you trade Quinn? That seems like a fair exchange. One often injured player with potential for another? But someone gets moved if we add a forward.

Naw. Buffalo would feel like home to them.

Idk maybe. I don't know chinakov at all. 

[Eleven]

19 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

But it doesn't make it wrong either.  Adams needs to take some risks to improve the team.  

Yes, but not reckless ones.  His moves over the last 12 months have been ok, IMO, but if he starts throwing first-round picks after this guy, no.  I still don't trust him and probably never will.

Edited 2 hours ago by Eleven

[GASabresIUFAN]

Looking at Chinakhov's career to date, it looks a little like Quinn (with Quinn the more productive player).  He's 24, clearly too good for the AHL.  He has spent most of his 4 NA seasons in the NHL.  In 23/24 he put up a respectable 29 pts (16 goals) in 53 games.  

He has some size (6'1 205 - elite prospects) 

https://unionandblue.com/posts/columbus-blue-jackets-2023-2024-player-review-yegor-chinakhov-01hwzbtsdvm6

Apparently he has an elite wrist shot.  He has one year left on his current deal at 2.1 and is a RFA with Arb rights after next season.  

This doesn't seem like a terrible idea at all assuming Adams can make the deal. 

Here are the questions

1) Where would Chinakhov play?  - Thompson, Tuch, Zucker, Benson, Quinn are presumably locked in as 5 of the top 6 wingers with Doan and Greenway fighting for the 6th slot.  You aren't acquiring Chinakov without having a slot for him in the top 9.  

2) Which forward(s) get moved to make room for Chinakov.  Right now the Sabres have 14 forwards signed for next season with McLeod, Norris, Krebs, Danforth, Kulich, Malensytn and Kozak (no longer waiver exempt) in the mix with the 7 wingers mentioned above.  

3) Does he really fill a need?  Kulick, Thompson, Norris, and Quinn are all known primarily for their shooting.  McLeod showed last year he can shoot as well.  Tuch is also a talented goal scorer as is Zucker.  We honestly need more playmaking.

4) What does he cost?  Can Adams pull off another McLeod for Savoie type deal?  Chinakov for Rosen for example?  What about Chinakov for Krebs?

Edited 2 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm not advocating for Benson. I agree he's worth keeping. But would you trade Quinn? That seems like a fair exchange. One often injured player with potential for another? But someone gets moved if we add a forward.

 

Quinn is the only forward that Columbus would plausibly want, that makes sense to me, from the Sabres perspective. I’m not opposed to trading Quinn at all, but I don’t think a “change of scenery” trade makes a lot of sense here. Also, while I’ve nothing against Chinakhov (I mostly just know him as the guy Jarmo took the big reach on), he doesn’t seem like a missing piece for the Sabres. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

5 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Yes, but not reckless ones.  His moves over the last 12 months have been ok, IMO, but if he starts throwing first-round picks after this guy, no.  I still don't trust him and probably never will.

In some respects, but again the vast majority have been bottom of the roster type deals.  He did strike gold last year with McLeod and Zucker, and they are probably his better transactions over his 5 years as GM.  Unfortunately, the deals also haven't made the team better. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Chinakov - 6'1, 205, age 24 (25 in Feb 26)  NHL - 175 gms 34g 37a 71pts 14 min/gp  -42  21st overall in 2020 draft 

Quinn -  6'1, 185, age 23 (24 in Sept)  NHL - 178 gms 39g 58a 97 pts 14:30 Min/GP  - 26  8th overall in 2020 draft

Quinn has been the more productive player and is slightly young.  

If Quinn is the trade target for CBJ, we'd need a little more than Chinakhov, especially as Chinakhov could easily bolt to the KHL after next season.  

 

Edited 2 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN