SwampD Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 15 minutes ago, dudacek said: Talent is loaded word. If you define talent as the ability to skate, shoot and stickhandle, I think we’ve got a pretty talented collection of players. If you define talent as “good at playing hockey” there’s work to be done. My problem with this is that I don't see anything to differentiate our collection of "talent" and any other team's. I keep hearing about how much better they are going to end up, but I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that. Edited May 7 by SwampD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, SwampD said: My problem with this is that I don't see anything to differentiate our collection of "talent" and any other team's. I keep hearing about how much better they are going to end up, but I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that. We are what our record says we are. All the rest is just hope and frustration. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) JJ Tage Tuch Benson Cozens Quinn (if Cozens can’t get going with two wingers like Benson and Quinn then cut bait with the guy) find a way to get out from Skinner. the fourth line should be a physical defensive line. The third line is the key for me. I think they need some offence on that line as well as physicality. If they can have 3 scoring lines and a shutdown physical 4th line that is how Lindy had success before. I don’t know if anyone on the team right now is a fit for that third line. If they can target a team with cap issues and see if you can pry a Karlsson or Cirelli or Lundell via trade or look at a Stephenson or Monahan in ufa to anchor that line. Then find another winger that has some size, physicality and can score and see if one of Savoie, Kulich or Rosen can play the other wing. I think Greenway can be an effective 4th liner. They need a really strong faceoff guy to anchor the 4th line. Then round it out with a guy that flies all around the ice and loves to get physical in the forecheck. A Carrier type. I think in a couple years that Östlund and Wahlberg will be good 3rd liners for them but it is about winning right now. Edited May 7 by Flashsabre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Honestly, I’m gonna need all 4 to make it worth it. And 80s Wayne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Honestly, I’m gonna need all 4 to make it worth it. And 80s Wayne Wookie hacked Thorny’s account. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, SwampD said: My problem with this is that I don't see anything to differentiate our collection of "talent" and any other team's. I keep hearing about how much better they are going to end up, but I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that. I dunno I definitely see some differentiation. Just look at the standings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Weave said: Wookie hacked Thorny’s account. Humour is all we have. Summer roles around and we’re sitting on the best asset pool again and any sort of trade that would hurt one iota to make is ruled out as negligent to the plan. Like sand through an hourglass “What can we get for the prospects we don’t want? Will Edmonton *retain* on McDavid? Then maybe we’d sacrifice Owen Power.” This isn’t hyperbole lol. As evidenced by his recent comments, Adams is probably already backing down from his “top 6 forward add” comment - he probably reads Twitter Edited May 7 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 The idea of trading Power is insane. Yes, he needs some serious coaching and he needs a big time muscle building program but he still has a huge amount of potential. He's just a kid. Now the prospects who aren't in the NHL right now? I'm fine with trading any of them and any future picks for immediate roster help now. Players I would definitely not trade: Benson, Peterka, Power, UPL, Levi, Tuch. Players I would only trade if the offer was so exceptional I had to consider it: Dahlin, Thompson, Cozens, Quinn. Unless I forgot someone pretty much anybody else is fair game for the right deal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 25 minutes ago, Thorny said: Honestly, I’m gonna need all 4 to make it worth it. And 80s Wayne In this hypothetical I wonder if Ottawa would be interested in Peterka to pair with Stutzle. Peterka, Östlund or Savoie or Kulich, 1st for Brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Oh do tell @Thorny what did you find so amusing about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 30 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: The idea of trading Power is insane. Yes, he needs some serious coaching and he needs a big time muscle building program but he still has a huge amount of potential. He's just a kid. Now the prospects who aren't in the NHL right now? I'm fine with trading any of them and any future picks for immediate roster help now. Players I would definitely not trade: Benson, Peterka, Power, UPL, Levi, Tuch. Players I would only trade if the offer was so exceptional I had to consider it: Dahlin, Thompson, Cozens, Quinn. Unless I forgot someone pretty much anybody else is fair game for the right deal. 12 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Oh do tell @Thorny what did you find so amusing about that? Thorny is right. This fanbase is not serious about winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 54 minutes ago, Thorny said: Humour is all we have. Summer roles around and we’re sitting on the best asset pool again and any sort of trade that would hurt one iota to make is ruled out as negligent to the plan. Like sand through an hourglass “What can we get for the prospects we don’t want? Will Edmonton *retain* on McDavid? Then maybe we’d sacrifice Owen Power.” This isn’t hyperbole lol. As evidenced by his recent comments, Adams is probably already backing down from his “top 6 forward add” comment - he probably reads Twitter Yep. That interview this morning was maddening. He starts his answer to the cap question by saying spending has never been a problem(which is total crap but not my point) and then for the next ten minutes gives excuse after excuse on why he’s not going to do it. WEE’RE FKD …and yes, I know that there are 3Es in that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, Weave said: Thorny is right. This fanbase is not serious about winning. Don't see how that relates to what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 3 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Don't see how that relates to what I said. You basically put half of a never won anything roster on the protected list. Even Dahlin (and certainly Power) should be available for the right price. I’m not talking about a dream overpayment. I mean, for the right price noone should be off limits if you are really serious about winning. 3 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Weave said: You basically put half of a never won anything roster on the protected list. Even Dahlin (and certainly Power) should be available for the right price. I’m not talking about a dream overpayment. I mean, for the right price noone should be off limits if you are really serious about winning. Not really. I put 6 guys on the "protected" list. One is a prospect, 5 of the 6 still have development upside and one bleeds blue and gold and should be captain. I put 4 guys on a list where I'd want a good deal that makes the team better. That's it for the entire franchise. I'd hardly call that protecting the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Not really. I put 6 guys on the "protected" list. One is a prospect, 5 of the 6 still have development upside and one bleeds blue and gold and should be captain. I put 4 guys on a list where I'd want a good deal that makes the team better. That's it for the entire franchise. I'd hardly call that protecting the roster. You chose your words to describe the second group poorly then. “So exceptional “ certainly paints an image of nearly untouchable. 10 players out of a roster of 23 is nearly half. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Just now, Weave said: You chose your words to describe the second group poorly then. “So exceptional “ certainly paints an image of nearly untouchable. 10 players out of a roster of 23 is nearly half. I guess you could take it that way. I was trying to avoid people reacting "trade Dahlin? You're nuts" type of thing so I phrased it as an exceptional deal. So no, only 6 I wouldn't trade (unless some team grossly overpays for them but that wouldn't happen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 5 hours ago, triumph_communes said: I agree completely with Adam’s current narrative. The problem has been coaching and leadership. The talent is now there. Yes we need some vet depth but we don’t need no key talent piece. I thought this was obvious two years ago and am mad he took this long to fire Granato, but I believe he has the right assessment on things. I see I’m a minority here Nah. There may be a few others who agree. I really don’t see a problem with our top 6. Let’s pretend Skinner doesn’t even exist (yet he does), we still have Tage, Tuch, Benson, Cozens, JJP, and Quinn. That’s a very “talented” bunch and I think Ruff will set them straight. But, beyond the top 6, the rest of the roster is effectively missing. Lots of question marks there. We need at least 3 more proven NHLers. Anyone not on the Sabres this year can stay in Rochester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: I guess you could take it that way. I was trying to avoid people reacting "trade Dahlin? You're nuts" type of thing so I phrased it as an exceptional deal. So no, only 6 I wouldn't trade (unless some team grossly overpays for them but that wouldn't happen). Do you think Rasmus Dahlin or Owen Power will have a better career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 11 minutes ago, Weave said: You chose your words to describe the second group poorly then. “So exceptional “ certainly paints an image of nearly untouchable. 10 players out of a roster of 23 is nearly half. Start with, “everyone is available for the right price” and go from there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Do you think Rasmus Dahlin or Owen Power will have a better career? Define "better"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Start with, “everyone is available for the right price” and go from there More serious-er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said: Define "better"? Which player will end their career, being talked about and ranked above the either, because most or all definitions of better apply to one more than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Start with, “everyone is available for the right price” and go from there Well everyone's available everywhere theoretically but that's kind of meaningless. Just now, LGR4GM said: Which player will end their career, being talked about and ranked above the either, because most or all definitions of better apply to one more than the other. Could still be Power. Ask me again in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Well everyone's available everywhere theoretically but that's kind of meaningless. You can’t convincingly argue it’s a meaningless distinction when your view yields an untradeable ….JJ Peterka, and mine argues for trading Dahlin (my favourite player) should an appropriate deal present itself. Edited May 7 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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