LGR4GM Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Vogl wrote this and I don't like it, it is faulty in so many ways. The issue I have is not saying Power will be the top defender, that is absolutely a real possibility. My issue is the bolded comparison that Owen Power is basically playing his D+1 year 5 months older than Dahlin and is playing that in the NCAA. Dahlin did not get a D+1 year even in the SHL so how could you make this comparison? Even if Dahlin had played in the SHL that additional year that isn't playing against his peers, that would be him versus men. It just is a bad way to compare the two and a bad way to talk about it. Now if you want to compare Dahlin to Power based on WJC play that makes sense to me but we haven't gotten there yet. You can't compare players at different ages of development in completely different leagues like this, you can't imagine Dahlin dominating his peers because he stopped playing against his peers when he was 16. Quote Power will be the Sabres’ top defenseman — in a hurry. While I didn’t see Dahlin play live in Sweden as a prospect, I can’t imagine he dominated his peers in every phase of the game like Power does. With that said, the WJC will really give us a feel for where Power is compared to his peers and that we could use to compare to Dahlin's WJC and one of the rare times he played with his peers since his draft year. Even then, Power got his D+1 year to play in the WJC, Dahlin did not so Power is basically a year of development older and should be dominating his peers. Anyways excited for Power to join the Sabres and watch him and Dahlin compete for top spot for year to come. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Vogl wrote this and I don't like it, it is faulty in so many ways. The issue I have is not saying Power will be the top defender, that is absolutely a real possibility. My issue is the bolded comparison that Owen Power is basically playing his D+1 year 5 months older than Dahlin and is playing that in the NCAA. Dahlin did not get a D+1 year even in the SHL so how could you make this comparison? Even if Dahlin had played in the SHL that additional year that isn't playing against his peers, that would be him versus men. It just is a bad way to compare the two and a bad way to talk about it. Now if you want to compare Dahlin to Power based on WJC play that makes sense to me but we haven't gotten there yet. You can't compare players at different ages of development in completely different leagues like this, you can't imagine Dahlin dominating his peers because he stopped playing against his peers when he was 16. With that said, the WJC will really give us a feel for where Power is compared to his peers and that we could use to compare to Dahlin's WJC and one of the rare times he played with his peers since his draft year. Even then, Power got his D+1 year to play in the WJC, Dahlin did not so Power is basically a year of development older and should be dominating his peers. Anyways excited for Power to join the Sabres and watch him and Dahlin compete for top spot for year to come. Yeah. Power may become their #1 but it won't be "in a hurry." Also, for Dahlin not dominating his peers, not sure how that's said when as an 18 yo he was the WJC's Top Defenseman. And his play really stood out in all 3 phases (Though he didn't end up w/ an abundance of points in the tourney). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 I would expect Power’s journey to be similar to Dallin’s and most highly drafted defencemen - a good but flawed NHL defenceman at 20 trending toward elite status by his mid-20s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 "While I didn't see........I can't imagine" loll I barely feel comfortable posting that kind of sentence on this message board for fear of getting roasted, NM as a professional writer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Dahlin did dominate his peers. He annihilated the production of the other 18 year old D to play in the NHL. He did more impressive things for his age than Power is doing now, historically - and I am very high on Power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Taro T said: Yeah. Power may become their #1 but it won't be "in a hurry." Also, for Dahlin not dominating his peers, not sure how that's said when as an 18 yo he was the WJC's Top Defenseman. And his play really stood out in all 3 phases (Though he didn't end up w/ an abundance of points in the tourney). And he was still actually 17 that WJC, too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Dahlin, Power, Joker, Samuelsson, Johnson is by far the most talented young D group this franchise has ever had. Watching them develop will be a lot of fun. It will be natural for Power v Dahlin debates but I’m just happy e have both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Owen Power will basically be 16 months older at this WJC then Rasmus Dahlin was at his last WJC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Owen Power will basically be 16 months older at this WJC then Rasmus Dahlin was at his last WJC. And he's going to benefit from being on the Canadian team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Thorny said: And he's going to benefit from being on the Canadian team Since Elite Prospects is the best, I can actually look up Dahlin's team... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Looks really good tbh. But it's no team Canada Elite Prospects is the best, I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, Thorny said: And he was still actually 17 that WJC, too Good catch. He was still ~3 months shy of 18 then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) Owen Power's 2022 WJC team 10 minutes ago, Thorny said: Looks really good tbh. But it's no team Canada Elite Prospects is the best, I agree Nope, would argue the 2021 Canada roster is far deeper with more talent. Edited December 17, 2021 by LGR4GM 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Dahlin had 1 other top 5 overall pick. Power will have 4 other top 5 overall picks if I remember this all correctly (Bedard and Wright are going to be top 5 picks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Owen Power's 2021 WJC team Nope, would argue the 2021 Canada roster is far deeper with more talent. 2022 team, actually, technically. Sorry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 I think there were 7 first round picks on Sweden and that Canada team has, 12 I think. Just now, Thorny said: 2022 team, actually, technically. Sorry lol that's true, 2022 WJC not 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 Elliott Friedman had an interview with Kevyn Adams yesterday and Adams mentioned He likes the Dahlin-Jokiharju Pairing He also mentioned they need to find the right partner to Power along. Marek speculated a Veteran RHD would be brought in 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 ^^^^^ Suter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 Back the truck up for Letang😀. Staple him to Power for a couple years. Profit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Flashsabre said: Back the truck up for Letang😀. Staple him to Power for a couple years. Profit. Certainly a strategy that has not failed the Sabres in the last decade-plus at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Eleven said: Certainly a strategy that has not failed the Sabres in the last decade-plus at all. Offer him 2 year term at like $9-10 million. Sabres need to spend just to get to the floor. Get a guy who is still elite who could mentor our young studs. Overpay on the short term. Sabres have overpaid non elite players on long term deals. That is where the issue arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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