Pimlach Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ripper said: Funny Risto is brought up tonight. I was listening to the Flyers broadcast of the Bruins game. They (homers broadcasters) marveled over his physical play and stated that Risto never learned the proper way to play defense because he played for a lousy team/organization since his career began. Guess they don't follow analytics lol Analytics are a measure of the results. He played for a lousy team and organization for sure but I doubt it he had poor coaching 100% of the time. Some of this is on Risto and his poor hockey IQ. Some of it is on his overuse as a Sabre. Some of it is on the habit of losing he and others suffered with. The Flyers won 6-3. Risto probably played well at times in that game. Edited October 21, 2021 by Pimlach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Analytics are a measure of the results. He played for a lousy team and organization for sure but I doubt it he had poor coaching 100% of the time. Some of this is on Risto and his poor hockey IQ. Some of it is on his overuse as a Sabre. Some of it is on the habit of losing he and others suffered with. The Flyers won 6-3. Risto probably played well at times in that game. He had 2 shots on goal and 0 points and we know he was on the ice for 2 of 3 goals against. Just because a team overcomes Risto's bad play does not mean he played well. We should all stop defending Ristolainen. He is in his 9th pro year and is about to be 27. Either he knows how to not lose his coverage or make stupid passes to no-where or he doesn't at this point. Obviously he doesn't. He can play well at times but I have seen Hutton get a shutout, doesn't mean he is good. To the bolded, analytics is not a measure of results. Results implies that analytics measure some ending event and that isn't really the case. Zone exits, passing, shot assists, shot assists against and stuff like that are not measuring results but parts of the game that add up to results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, SwampD said: And yet they won 6 to 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Against Marchand, Pasta and Bergeron, and would have been even against them but for a bad line change. But yeah,… numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Domenic Galamini Jr Article https://www.thespec.com/sports/bulldogs/2015/11/04/it-s-all-about-stats-not-sticks-for-newest-hamilton-bulldog.html Edited October 21, 2021 by Happy Days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SwampD said: Against Marchand, Pasta and Bergeron, and would have been even against them but for a bad line change. But yeah,… numbers. 8 years of bad numbers but sure... yea Risto is secretly good. It's just he isn't good because he was against Bergeron. LOL. I am trying to look at that shot chart and come away with saying "would have been even" what a strange take. The lol is in caps because it is hilarious that anyone would defend risto at this point. He's a mediocre defender. Edited October 21, 2021 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, SwampD said: Against Marchand, Pasta and Bergeron, and would have been even against them but for a bad line change. But yeah,… numbers. Coaches evidently have come to the conclusion that, though Risto does poorly against the good players, the other players on their roster would do even worse. Can't think of what else it could be. 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: 8 years of bad numbers but sure... yea Risto is secretly good. It's just he isn't good because he was against Bergeron. LOL. The lol is in caps because it is hilarious that anyone would defend risto at this point. He's a mediocre defender. Mediocre NHL defender would be fair, I think. As long as the "NHL" qualifier is included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thorny said: Coaches evidently have come to the conclusion that, though Risto does poorly against the good players, the other players on their roster would do even worse. Can't think of what else it could be. Mediocre NHL defender would be fair, I think. As long as the "NHL" qualifier is included. He's a #4 defender on an NHL team. You need a defensive partner for him to cover for his mistakes and brain farts. His hockey IQ is below average even if all his other traits are above average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Coaches evidently have come to the conclusion that, though Risto does poorly against the good players, the other players on their roster would do even worse. Can't think of what else it could be. Mediocre NHL defender would be fair, I think. As long as the "NHL" qualifier is included. Yep. Certainly not the worst out there. I still think he stole LGR’s girlfriend. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Didn't realize he was so young, also, you are famous Liger! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: 8 years of bad numbers but sure... yea Risto is secretly good. It's just he isn't good because he was against Bergeron. LOL. I am trying to look at that shot chart and come away with saying "would have been even" what a strange take. The lol is in caps because it is hilarious that anyone would defend risto at this point. He's a mediocre defender. Did you even watch the game? I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, SwampD said: Did you even watch the game? I did. I have watched 8 years of his games. Are you arguing he is a good defender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, LGR4GM said: I have watched 8 years of his games. Are you arguing he is a good defender? You said the “would have been even” was a weird take. If you watched the game you would have known that he was at the end of his shift and trying to get to the bench, but his replacement didn’t see him because there was a ref in the way, so he had to stay on in a futile effort while Marchand blew past him and scored a breakaway goal. Im arguing that he is not a bad defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 So glad that this 8-year-long conversation will slowly fade into the Sabrespace archives. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, dudacek said: So glad that this 8-year-long conversation will slowly fade into the Sabrespace archives. Weep not for, the memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, SwampD said: You said the “would have been even” was a weird take. If you watched the game you would have known that he was at the end of his shift and trying to get to the bench, but his replacement didn’t see him because there was a ref in the way, so he had to stay on in a futile effort while Marchand blew past him and scored a breakaway goal. Im arguing that he is not a bad defender. He's a mediocre defender and has been for his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: He's a mediocre defender and has been for his career. So you must think the trade was great. Right? We got a lot for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: He's a mediocre defender and has been for his career. I see you've softened your stance on him.😂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said: So you must think the trade was great. Right? We got a lot for him Yes 1 hour ago, SwampD said: I see you've softened your stance on him.😂 Been pretty consistent calling him mediocre and a 4th defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 What do the advanced stats say about this new analytics guy? Does he impact the front office game? What's his corsi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Yes Been pretty consistent calling him mediocre and a 4th defender. You and everyone else. Teams need those too and not sure we have one right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, SwampD said: You and everyone else. Teams need those too and not sure we have one right now. lol, we don't need risto. a 4th defender on a mediocre team isn't helping us much. And we easily have better defenders coming than Risto and his low IQ brand of flinging the puck up the boards and losing his position in the defensive zone. We get you it. You like Risto. He isn't that good and I am glad I don't have to watch his nightly mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 I don't miss him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Do you think this hire will help us move on from the JAGs sooner? Seriously, what do Cagguila, Bjork, or Hayden actually bring to this team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 11 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Do you think this hire will help us move on from the JAGs sooner? Seriously, what do Cagguila, Bjork, or Hayden actually bring to this team? Culture and time for more talented players to develop at minimal cap commitment. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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