deluca67 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Im not trying to defend Darcy on this one, but many NHL analysts had Leino as one of the top free agents available before the 11/12 season. I wasnt happy w/ the contract, but I was excited when the Sabres picked him up. Honestly, how many on this board were ticked off when Leino signed / Buffalo? There were a bunch of posters that disliked the Leino signing from the get go. If Leino was one of the top rated free agents at the time it was up to Regier to recognize how weak the free agent class was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Leino's claim to fame was his great success in the playoffs. I know he played with Briere and that will make anyone a playoff beast, but it would be nice if he got a chance at the playoffs here before we all write him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 So in the 8 games he played, he scored 6 points (2-4-6) and showed some solid puck possession. He'll be 30 early next season. Is this guy a top 6 winger? Could he be? Or is he buy-out fodder? I think these questions are a key part of whether we finish in the bottom third, or we put up a spirited fight for spots 6-10 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 So in the 8 games he played, he scored 6 points (2-4-6) and showed some solid puck possession. He'll be 30 early next season. Is this guy a top 6 winger? Could he be? Or is he buy-out fodder? I think these questions are a key part of whether we finish in the bottom third, or we put up a spirited fight for spots 6-10 next season. There's also the very real possibility that the injuries that limited him to 8 games this year could be career-threatening. A hip condition ended Bo Jackson's career. And we all know that Leino is as good as Bo was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 There's also the very real possibility that the injuries that limited him to 8 games this year could be career-threatening. A hip condition ended Bo Jackson's career. And we all know that Leino is as good as Bo was. correct, but if healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Leino should be having surgery NOW on that other hip. Why wait. He does it now he's got more time for rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 There's also the very real possibility that the injuries that limited him to 8 games this year could be career-threatening. A hip condition ended Bo Jackson's career. And we all know that Leino is as good as Bo was. Lets hope not...can not buy out a player who is injured. Not saying they should /will buy him out, but at least if he is not injured the option exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Lets hope not...can not buy out a player who is injured. Not saying they should /will buy him out, but at least if he is not injured the option exists Right, but if he can't play, he goes on LTIR and doesn't count against the cap. But you're right that it hurts their flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I doubt he gets bought out. I think the most obvious buyout this Summer is Stafford and I cannot see the team buying out 2 wingers when they are already short on depth at the wings. I'm willing to give the guy a chance to show what he's got when he's healthy next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Leino should be having surgery NOW on that other hip. Why wait. He does it now he's got more time for rehab. Is it the hip again? I thought the same right away. Have surgery now in order to join the camp from the beginning. But I read that its not the hip this time, that its his back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Is it the hip again? I thought the same right away. Have surgery now in order to join the camp from the beginning. But I read that its not the hip this time, that its his back... Yeah, supposedly is but what I'm saying is the "procedures" on his hip to make it better IMO won't work long term and he should get it fixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 We discussing Carl Pavano..... I mean, Ville Leino again? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Yeah, supposedly is but what I'm saying is the "procedures" on his hip to make it better IMO won't work long term and he should get it fixed up. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Is it true, that a player that ends the season on the injury reserve list, can NOT be bought out with the amnesty clause? Huge bummer for the Sabres if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Leino should be having surgery NOW on that other hip. Why wait. He does it now he's got more time for rehab. Close. He should have been having surgery 2-4 weeks ago, when it was obvious that he and the team wouldn't be able to compete this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I doubt he gets bought out. I think the most obvious buyout this Summer is Stafford and I cannot see the team buying out 2 wingers when they are already short on depth at the wings. I'm willing to give the guy a chance to show what he's got when he's healthy next season. I agree. Unless the injury changes thing, I think they'll buy out Stafford and give Leino one more year. I don't think it is a good idea to burn up both buyouts in the same year. They need to leave a little flexibility going into next year's offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I agree. Unless the injury changes thing, I think they'll buy out Stafford and give Leino one more year. I don't think it is a good idea to burn up both buyouts in the same year. They need to leave a little flexibility going into next year's offseason. I don't think they'll buy out anyone this year. There aren't a lot of FA's worth spending $'s on, so there isn't much to be gained by getting extra cap space. I expect there's a far greater chance that Stafford is traded and 1/4 to 1/2 of his salary is retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I don't think they'll buy out anyone this year. There aren't a lot of FA's worth spending $'s on, so there isn't much to be gained by getting extra cap space. I expect there's a far greater chance that Stafford is traded and 1/4 to 1/2 of his salary is retained. How much money are they allowed to keep given that they already are keeping some of Pominville's contract? I forget the exact figure. But anyway, it doesn't just free up cap space for next year, but the future as well. So I wouldn't hold out on buying him out simply because there is no one worth adding this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Stafford has 1 bad year, he's young , with a good line he will recover. Andrew Peters said the criticism weighs heavy on players as it did him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I don't think they'll buy out anyone this year. There aren't a lot of FA's worth spending $'s on, so there isn't much to be gained by getting extra cap space. I expect there's a far greater chance that Stafford is traded and 1/4 to 1/2 of his salary is retained. Buyout is 4 x 1.3M against the cap, so I'd think the Sabres would be willing to keep money if they made a deal. Stafford at $2.7 million (rather than $4M) might bring something back - maybe not much at this point, but something. I don't think they'll buy out anyone this year. There aren't a lot of FA's worth spending $'s on, so there isn't much to be gained by getting extra cap space. I expect there's a far greater chance that Stafford is traded and 1/4 to 1/2 of his salary is retained. There's a thought. The buyout would be $1.3 against the cap, so why not just pay that part of his salary and deal him for whatever pick could be had. Somebody would be getting Stafford at $2.7 (rather than $4M) which isn't a bad risk for a potential 20 goals scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Buyout is 4 x 1.3M against the cap, so I'd think the Sabres would be willing to keep money if they made a deal. Stafford at $2.7 million (rather than $4M) might bring something back - maybe not much at this point, but something. Compliance buyout: no cap hit, just actual cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Stafford has 1 bad year, he's young , with a good line he will recover. Andrew Peters said the criticism weighs heavy on players as it did him. One bad year?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kooshari Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Stafford has 1 bad year, he's young , with a good line he will recover. Andrew Peters said the criticism weighs heavy on players as it did him. Better to say Stafford had one good year. He just doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Compliance buyout: no cap hit, just actual cash Good point. I've never seen the CBA..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 One bad year?! On Pluto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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