26CornerBlitz Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Vanek, Mcnabb & 1st I would do in a heartbeat if we could get Nash & foligno. Yuup!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ryan - 4 30+ goal campaigns in 3 3/4 seasons. Pominville - 2 30+ goal campaigns in 6 1/2 seasons. Ryan - 113 hits last season. Pominville - 110 hits over the last three seasons. Ryan - Younger, bigger and more physical Pominville - better shot blocker and penalty killer. Ryan fits what the Sabres need, a talented big bodied winger that is difficult to play against. Even though I voted no on the Pommer trade, this is a very good post. FWIW, i would give up Pommer and Brennan for Ryan but Pommer plus mcnabb is a bridge too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 yea Ryan is what we need until we trade Pommers and then Pommers becomes what we need. Is Ryan going to play 20+ minutes a game and kill penaltys and shudown teams top lines? No. You trade Pominville and you lose a major special teams guy. Thats all I am saying. I am just thankful this stupid trade could never happen. Thank god for Darcy... never thought id say that. Happy 4th of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 yea Ryan is what we need until we trade Pommers and then Pommers becomes what we need. Is Ryan going to play 20+ minutes a game and kill penaltys and shudown teams top lines? No. You trade Pominville and you lose a major special teams guy. Thats all I am saying. I am just thankful this stupid trade could never happen. Thank god for Darcy... never thought id say that. Happy 4th of July. I think thats teh problem with some here is that they think that to be tough, everybody has to be throwing checks and hits, and that this is the only way to win. You need some balance. You still need guys that know how to play the game and not just be physical. Thats one of the reasons why I wouldn't want to give up Pommers. He does enough other things that he is an assett you still need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ryan - 4 30+ goal campaigns in 3 3/4 seasons. Pominville - 2 30+ goal campaigns in 6 1/2 seasons. Ryan - 113 hits last season. Pominville - 110 hits over the last three seasons. Ryan - Younger, bigger and more physical Pominville - better shot blocker and penalty killer. Ryan fits what the Sabres need, a talented big bodied winger that is difficult to play against. Ryan - emotionaly unstable manchild that pouts and whines Pominville - emotionaly stable captain that had one of his best season when given a C on his jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think thats teh problem with some here is that they think that to be tough, everybody has to be throwing checks and hits, and that this is the only way to win. You need some balance. You still need guys that know how to play the game and not just be physical. Thats one of the reasons why I wouldn't want to give up Pommers. He does enough other things that he is an assett you still need. Ryan is a player that can do both. Isn't better to have talented players that can take care of themselves rather than players that look to others? Ryan - emotionaly unstable manchild that pouts and whines Pominville - emotionaly stable captain that had one of his best season when given a C on his jersey I'm sure Miller was only talking about everyone else when he called his teammates "fragile little children." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres13 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ryan - emotionaly unstable manchild that pouts and whines Do you mean Ryan or Roy is the manchild. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan2456 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I would include Vanek in either of these scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I'm sure Miller was only talking about everyone else when he called his teammates "fragile little children." Pominville was the last person on this team that i would be worried about mentally. By all means ignore the fact that Ryan has the very same issues that you bitch about all the sabres having thou cause he is a fragile little child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Pominville was the last person on this team that i would be worried about mentally. By all means ignore the fact that Ryan has the very same issues that you bitch about all the sabres having thou cause he is a fragile little child I would like to see a detailed listing of Ryan's "issues." "Fragile little children" came from Miller, has any of Ryan's teammates spoken out against him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I would like to see a detailed listing of Ryan's "issues." "Fragile little children" came from Miller, has any of Ryan's teammates spoken out against him? Not that I am aware of but I don't follow the Ducks team closelyHe doesn't seem to need any help with making it known he has issues considering he was the guy who came out and made the comments/complaints about the Ducks cause they put him on the block and how now he wants out. Of course you will come back with a comment similar to "well wouldn't you feel the same way if your team kept saying they would trade you" to which I can reply about feeling the same way Miller did after watching my team cower at the bench after the other team just ran right through me.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ryan's back story would give most people issues and make some incredibly mentally tough. http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ryan's back story would give most people issues and make some incredibly mentally tough. http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3782270 What a story. I want him playing for the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle III Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I would like to see a detailed listing of Ryan's "issues." It has been said that Ryan doesn't get along with Getzlaf or Perry. He obviously complains to the press when he feels upset with the team. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder. Now picture this guy under Ruff's "guidance" - I'm sure you know how Ruff coaches. And you don't see a problem? Picture Derek Roy x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 It has been said that Ryan doesn't get along with Getzlaf or Perry. He obviously complains to the press when he feels upset with the team. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder. Now picture this guy under Ruff's "guidance" - I'm sure you know how Ruff coaches. And you don't see a problem? Picture Derek Roy x2. Where has it been said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 There is a zero percent chance that Pominville gets traded while he still wears the C as long as Ruff is in the organization. I think sometimes people are too focused on the #1 center idea. Almost every team needs centers and it would be great if the Sabres can find one. Problem is there just aren't many, if any, top tier centers available. IMO, the Sabres should be focused on those players that are currently available. Parise, Nash and Ryan are there for the taking. Any of the three will fill the Sabres biggest need, even bigger than center, which is top six skilled players that bring along a high level of compete. I would like to question what makes you think Ryan and Nash have a high level of compete? Skilled, yes, but I don't think they have the effort night in and night out that Parise has. Both have had rough relationships with coaches, and have finally hated their situations so much that they ask for a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Both have had rough relationships with coaches, and have finally hated their situations so much that they ask for a trade. I don't believe Ryan asked for a trade. He said that he was open to being traded because it's hard to constantly be listed as the player on the trade market whenever the team needs help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I don't believe Ryan asked for a trade. He said that he was open to being traded because it's hard to constantly be listed as the player on the trade market whenever the team needs help. I agree. 30 goal scorers with high levels of compete don't make the trade list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I don't believe Ryan asked for a trade. He said that he was open to being traded because it's hard to constantly be listed as the player on the trade market whenever the team needs help. The tough part for Ryan is that the Ducks have more than just one big talented forward. There appears to be a pecking order with Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan. If the Ducks are going to bring in help they'll need to use some bait, and Ryan appears to be that bait. There is a zero percent chance that Pominville gets traded while he still wears the C as long as Ruff is in the organization. I would like to question what makes you think Ryan and Nash have a high level of compete? Skilled, yes, but I don't think they have the effort night in and night out that Parise has. Both have had rough relationships with coaches, and have finally hated their situations so much that they ask for a trade. I've never been anything other than impressed when I have had the chance to watch Ryan and Nash play. Either would be an upgrade to what the Sabres currently have at forward. The Sabres must agree because they are pursuing Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan2456 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Pommers is our best all around player and wears the C. I'd never say never, but it would have to be an exceptional talent coming back if he's part of the trade. example: Crosby,Malkin yes. Ryan/Nash No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Sabres were pursuing Parise and Suter too. Doesn't mean they'll get him. Right now I'm as excited for next year as I am on bridge night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Sabres were pursuing Parise and Suter too. Doesn't mean they'll get him. Right now I'm as excited for next year as I am on bridge night. guess your're palying strip bridge with the cast of 'Magic Mike' then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 guess your're palying strip bridge with the cast of 'Magic Mike' then... That's a nine out of ten on the creep-o-meter. Sabres were pursuing Parise and Suter too. Doesn't mean they'll get him. Right now I'm as excited for next year as I am on bridge night. The moves alone are not as exciting as the overall idea that the Sabres are admitting they had a problem and are taking steps to correct them. They are not going to change the culture of the franchise in this one off-season. It's going to take a couple of years until the idea of this team being tougher and tougher to play against becomes a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 That's a nine out of ten on the creep-o-meter. The moves alone are not as exciting as the overall idea that the Sabres are admitting they had a problem and are taking steps to correct them. They are not going to change the culture of the franchise in this one off-season. It's going to take a couple of years until the idea of this team being tougher and tougher to play against becomes a reality. Just seems Sabres have two more years of Vanek, Pominville, Ott and Miller. Then you have Myers, Ehrhoff, Leino. I know much can change every year but there seems to be a missing link right now. Grigorenko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Just seems Sabres have two more years of Vanek, Pominville, Ott and Miller. Then you have Myers, Ehrhoff, Leino. I know much can change every year but there seems to be a missing link right now. Grigorenko? Grigs, Girgs, Armia and Ennis and Hodgson continuing development. We have good depth going forward but I understand your point about this year. It seems as though there will not be a major improvement to this roster this offseason. IMHO, 3years from now the Sabres will have a shot of winning a cup. Next offseason depending on a lot of factors but players such as Perry, Getzlaf, Hartnell, Morrow, Streit, and Horton will be UFA's. Thats some serieous grit and a lot of points. Those players depending on contract negotiations will be trade bait or UFA's within the next year. Be excited for the development of our young guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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