ROC Sabres Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 This is some crazy sh!t Don't know if it iwas mentioned in the playoff discussion but wow. Be careful what you say on here. Big brother is watching. Pittsburgh fan arrest over Ovechkin death threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 lol welcome to a month+ ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogBat Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 This is some crazy sh!t Don't know if it iwas mentioned in the playoff discussion but wow. Be careful what you say on here. Big brother is watching. Pittsburgh fan arrest over Ovechkin death threat Regardless of what was said and when it was said, threatening to kill anyone and posting on the Internet is serious business. I don't care how retroactively remorseful that 17 year-old is. He's going to jail, regardless of what First Amendment invocation he and his lawyer attempt to use in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Regardless of what was said and when it was said, threatening to kill anyone and posting on the Internet is serious business. I don't care how retroactively remorseful that 17 year-old is. He's going to jail, regardless of what First Amendment invocation he and his lawyer attempt to use in court. pretty sure no charges were ever filed, and nobody is going to jail. anyone who took the threat seriously needs to take a chill pill imo. you can throw all this "YOU HAVE TO TAKE DEATH THREATS SERIOUSLY" #%^$#! around but come on it's a PENGUINS FANSITE MESSAGE BOARD during a PLAYOFF SERIES with rival team WASHINGTON. it's called passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROC Sabres Posted June 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 lol welcome to a month+ ago Like i said, i didn't know if it was made mention of or not (looked over the threads briefly) so my bad on the late post but still, I had to say something because that's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Like i said, i didn't know if it was made mention of or not (looked over the threads briefly) so my bad on the late post but still, I had to say something because that's insane. ROC, it did happen quite a while ago (note it was Ovechkin, not Franzen, right?), but no worries. It's not like there's a current thread discussing this--there isn't. XC, betcha a burger that the kid gets no time. Jack, HEY YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT WOW HOW MANY ENERGY DRINKS CAN ONE CONSUME IN A SINGLE DAY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Regardless of what was said and when it was said, threatening to kill anyone and posting on the Internet is serious business. I don't care how retroactively remorseful that 17 year-old is. He's going to jail, regardless of what First Amendment invocation he and his lawyer attempt to use in court. Be careful what you wish for. Some day someone might consider preaching eternal damnation as a threat of physical violence and preachers will be sitting next to 17 year old internet posters in jail :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Regardless of what was said and when it was said, threatening to kill anyone and posting on the Internet is serious business. I don't care how retroactively remorseful that 17 year-old is. He's going to jail, regardless of what First Amendment invocation he and his lawyer attempt to use in court. There's no way they send a 17 year old to jail over an internet death threat. And there is no reason to do so either. People say things they don't mean when they are angry and venting. In our criminal justice system, words are meaningless. Only action is punishable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogBat Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 There's no way they send a 17 year old to jail over an internet death threat. And there is no reason to do so either. People say things they don't mean when they are angry and venting. In our criminal justice system, words are meaningless. Only action is punishable. Given your major at RIT, I'll take your word for it. Still, it is pause for concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogBat Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Be careful what you wish for. Some day someone might consider preaching eternal damnation as a threat of physical violence and preachers will be sitting next to 17 year old internet posters in jail :rolleyes: Are you wishing for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Only 868 posts, that kid is probably going to get flamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Only 868 posts, that kid is probably going to get flamed. Classic. Big fish BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sloth Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 There's no way they send a 17 year old to jail over an internet death threat. And there is no reason to do so either. People say things they don't mean when they are angry and venting. In our criminal justice system, words are meaningless. Only action is punishable. If someone made a death threat to the President, they'd be arrested, charged, and found guilty in a heart beat. Our government would not care if it was a post on the internet. As a side note, I do not think the 17 year old should be punished. Action is the only that should be punishable, not words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Are you wishing for that? I couldn't care less. The point is that it is ridiculous to think a 17 year kid should do jail time for anything posted on a message board.There are far too many people in this country with their panties bunched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I couldn't care less. The point is that it is ridiculous to think a 17 year kid should do jail time for anything posted on a message board.There are far too many people in this country with their panties bunched. It is hard to imagine that a DA would prosecute this. Let's see, a Pittsburgh fan in front of a Pittsburgh grand jury.... :rolleyes: Does Yinz all think da defendant wanted to do anything but support da Penquins and do yinz think he rilly wanted to keel da guy from Roosha? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 It is hard to imagine that a DA would prosecute this. Let's see, a Pittsburgh fan in front of a Pittsburgh grand jury.... :rolleyes: Does Yinz all think da defendant wanted to do anything but support da Penquins and do yinz think he rilly wanted to keel da guy from Roosha? I don't think so. They should check out the Flyers message boards. Half of Philadelphia would be in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 If someone made a death threat to the President, they'd be arrested, charged, and found guilty in a heart beat. Our government would not care if it was a post on the internet. As a side note, I do not think the 17 year old should be punished. Action is the only that should be punishable, not words. Tell that to all the guys in prison who texted naughty words to adult male cops pretending to be 13 year old girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 It is hard to imagine that a DA would prosecute this. Let's see, a Pittsburgh fan in front of a Pittsburgh grand jury.... :rolleyes: Does Yinz all think da defendant wanted to do anything but support da Penquins and do yinz think he rilly wanted to keel da guy from Roosha? I don't think so. Thats pretty close. but you should substitute Da Gwins for penguins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 There's no way they send a 17 year old to jail over an internet death threat. And there is no reason to do so either. People say things they don't mean when they are angry and venting. In our criminal justice system, words are meaningless. Only action is punishable. Hates crimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Tell that to all the guys in prison who texted naughty words to adult male cops pretending to be 13 year old girls. Finally out on probation, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Finally out on probation, huh? Nice empty-netter! No seriously a lot of these guys you hear about are doing much more time than the guys who actually rape kids! It's crazy. Dateline NBC politicized this issue so much, the DAs around the country, who have to get elected after all, jumped right on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Nice empty-netter! No seriously a lot of these guys you hear about are doing much more time than the guys who actually rape kids! It's crazy. Dateline NBC politicized this issue so much, the DAs around the country, who have to get elected after all, jumped right on it. And then there's the whole idiotic sexting craze where kids are being given the lifetime sex offender label. The law has to catch up to technology eventually, but it does make you wonder about the people who have been and will continue to be screwed over until that happens. As for the Pittsburgh kid, they really need to come up with some kind of "you're an idiot!" treatment to educate these people. Maybe they should be forced to read every single post over on TSW and then they'll be driven away from the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Hates crimes? Nope. You have to commit a separate offense first for it to be considered a hate crime. If that separate crime is deemed to have been done with regards to racial issues, etc., then the offender can also be charged with a hate crime on top of the initial charge. Unfortunately I cannot seem to locate an online version of the PA penal code so I only have the NY code to work from, and there are no statutes in the NY penal code that allow a person to be charged for a crime related to threatening wordage. Only physical threats of physical violence are considered an offense; it's the same reason you can't attack someone physically out of self defense if they say to you "I'm going to kill you" without taking a step towards acting upon that threat. If this kid had threatened to kill Ovie and then went out and purchased a hand gun illegally, then you could charge him with a crime, because he has taken that step towards acting upon his threat. The most that could be done is Ovechkin would have to file a suit in civil court for an order of protection. Beyond that you really can't pin anything on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Nope. You have to commit a separate offense first for it to be considered a hate crime. If that separate crime is deemed to have been done with regards to racial issues, etc., then the offender can also be charged with a hate crime on top of the initial charge. Unfortunately I cannot seem to locate an online version of the PA penal code so I only have the NY code to work from, and there are no statutes in the NY penal code that allow a person to be charged for a crime related to threatening wordage. Only physical threats of physical violence are considered an offense; it's the same reason you can't attack someone physically out of self defense if they say to you "I'm going to kill you" without taking a step towards acting upon that threat. If this kid had threatened to kill Ovie and then went out and purchased a hand gun illegally, then you could charge him with a crime, because he has taken that step towards acting upon his threat. The most that could be done is Ovechkin would have to file a suit in civil court for an order of protection. Beyond that you really can't pin anything on him. I think they could charge him with terroristic threats, probably wouldn't stick. Usually you see a terroristic threats charge being brought when you have addition charges such as assault/battery etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blugold43 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 They should check out the Flyers message boards. Half of Philadelphia would be in jail. now you're making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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