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There definitely is a difference and my remarks were not a defense of the job Botterill has done. The results just haven’t been there and his moves have been a mixed bag. Thats an interesting point regarding the contract length, but who knows. I couldn’t say how the Pegulas view having a lame duck in there. When does Botterill’s contract end? Was it a 4 year deal?

Sanders won the popular vote. Buttigieg won more delegates. I was super close, essentially a tie. It was also a total mess. On to New Hampshire.

This thread is totally ridiculous. Johansson decides what his mask looks like. Get over it. Of all the things to throw a fit over, why you choose this I will never understand.

Sooo, anyway, with regards to Botterill...... Im on record as saying I think he sold Pegula on a slow rebuild and that his job was safe until after the 2020-21 season. However, I also think that Pegula is sensitive to the public perception surrounding the team. I feel like if anything gets Botterill fired, it will be the increased negative press on a national level, and Pegulas reaction to it, even moreso than the team’s poor performance.

I like what I’ve seen from Ron Hextall.

Agree, he is very good at his role, but it’s a low end role in the NHL. Plays good defense and produces zero offense. I don’t think any 4th liners need to be signed to 3+ year deals.

While not impossible, because teams sometimes do dumb things, I think it’s unlikely, and I think it would be dumb.

In what way? You think some team is going to give Larsson a 3+ year contract?

I agree. It was a joke.

Agreed. If a player demands a trade, you kinda have to do it eventually, but not necessarily right away. When you are able to find an acceptable deal.

Not that anything is imminent, but if Jack demanded a trade, he would be traded. You can’t just tell him tough *****, you’ve got a contract. You can’t have a star player disgruntled perpetually.

-You said better goaltending turned their season around. -I said, no, the whole team was playing bad early, then improved -You said not according to this article. -I gave quotes from the article discussing how their team play improved, and showed that their goal scoring improved dramatically. -You say “Chicken egg”. As in, it’s a question with out an answer, I assume? What???

Nah, he like soft, skill only players with no heart or grit. Are there any of those in this draft? Also, I propose the title of this thread be changed from “....way too early”, to “....not soon enough”

-“Armstrong says. “This was a case of a team coming together that was figuring it out and finding ways to lose games that they should have won. We weren’t finding ways to win games. In December we started to play winning hockey but we didn’t get the results [and] had a few bad beats. We went on a road trip out to Western Canada and won two out of three playing really good.”” So they were finding ways to lose games early on. -“And with Berube’s promotion from an assistant’s role, some of the underlying numbers — differentials in possession and chances, and shooting percentage among others — had started to trend in the right direction, even though the team had the worst record in the league on January 2.” After Berube was promoted some underlying numbers started to trend in the right direction, implying that they were not so good beforehand. -“ “His arrival coincided with us playing well,” Armstrong says. “That’s the way it really timed out. He had a fabulous run, no doubt, but timing had a lot to do with it.” “ Armstrong is saying that Binnington joined the team when they started playing well and benefitted from the teams improved play. In games 1-41 they scored 1 or 0 goals 13 times. In games 42-82 they scored 4 or more goals 15 times. It wasn’t all Binnington. They played poorly early in the 2018-19 season.

Do we need a “Jbot has to Go” thread and a “Losing Culture - Jbot has to Go” thread? Seems pretty redundant. Maybe merge the two?

This isn’t actually true though, is it? Early season St. Louis was actually playing like poop. It wasn’t just their goaltending.

That would be unnecessary, even if you think he is great in a role of defensive stopper, which I agree that he is. His value around the league is not going to be so high that he would get such term. A 1-3 year contract is all he would command, I believe. What if he is good for a couple more years but then his play falls off in years 3-5? Then you have a guy who produces basically zero offense, and is also not getting it done on the defensive end, and you have him signed for 2-3 more years. It’s just an unneeded risk for a player of his caliber. Your not getting any real value for giving him term He isn’t going to “break out” and make the contract look like a bargain.

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Some may say that if he is the 15the best RW in the league, that’s one of the best. 15th out of 120.

Agree. Skinner is not a fancy or great passer. He is either creating scoring chances for himself or cashing in scoring chances that someone else created.

Yes, sure, the contract is a little to much. That’s not what I was addressing. I was addressing the stuff you said about being a one man show who never worked well with anyone. I didn’t, and still don’t, understand what you meant by that.

Yeah, Jack Eichel, or probably any other center who can some of those things I listed relatively well. He is a perennial 30ish goal scorer even when playing with mostly meh centers in CAR. He had a career year playing with the best line mate that he ever had, not a big surprise.

Ron Hextall would be an interesting potential replacement to consider.

What are you saying here? Skinner is a finisher. He works well with people who can get him the puck in dangerous spots, and/or guys who can create havoc/rebounds in front of the net that he can clean up.

I do. Some pro expert analysts said it was a good haul.