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I have trouble believing that anyone competent enough to do the GM job wouldn't look at the situation the Sabres are currently in and politely decline. It might be different at this point mind you. There is Skinner, Dahlin, Cozens (promise of a future). But if you, as a GM coming, look at the Sabres depth (which gets blasted on here quite often) do you think you can be successful in a couple of years? Perhaps you can, with this off season having as much open cap space as it does. But then you have to believe the owner isn't going to be a problem. This is true. But they were pretty bad at the time.. all 3 belonging to players who people have lamented taking up space on this roster (although I suppose 55 might have changed some peoples minds this year). (Because unless I am missing it it's Risto, Bogo, and Okposo right?) That said, the cupboard was pretty damn bare as well. So, you slowly have to rebuild, draft well (we'll see about that), and incrementally build the team. I don't know how we keep avoiding the logic flaw. The team had no prospects. The team has no talent. Somehow, a GM is supposed to turn that into talent overnight. We saw that attempt in Tim Murray. It failed. Miserably. You can try and sign UFAs... of course, why does a UFA want to come here? Because a GM will overpay them? Then how does that benefit the team? Because a UFA is desperate because no one wants them? They aren't the player we're looking for... unless we get lucky. The contracts Botterill has signed have all been to keep known players around just long enough. The only players here long term are the ones he wants long term or has no control over (Okposo/Risto). Slowly build the talent pool, then find the right players to bring in. No more debating it I suppose. You either believe he's incapable or you aren't sold on the idea yet. I'm not saying he will be the right GM, I am just not at the point where I believe he's not the right GM.

1. You might not be getting paid, true. But you have money. It's not like these guys are desperate. Hell, they could be hired as "special advisors" somewhere. 2. You ever try to lead an incompetent leader? Yeah.. that doesn't work. 3. There's a short list, and if my name is someone like Lou Lamoriello or Peter Laviolette, then yes, I am getting a call. We're talking about the established hockey people here, those with good reputations. Not the one shot assistants who failed. Those are the guys who took their shots, failed, perhaps because of incompetent owners, and now have to hope like hell they get another shot. Yet those guys might be gun shy to go try and lead again with another incompetent owner, because if that owner leads them to failure again, now they are a two time failure. 4. Botterill says no to Pegula he gets the LaFontaine treatment. Then he has to choose whether he calls out the owner or stays silent. You call out the owner and every other owner is going to look at that and say, "This guy is only out for himself. I'm not hiring him." 5. I think a guy who is well established is not going to walk into a situation with an incompetent owner and spend the energy to try and overcome that incompetence. It's like saying the old guy wants to train the young snot nosed brat. That narrative works in the movies, not in real life. 6. See my point on #4. You get your one shot you have to make it work. You tell owners to stick it and they fire you. You get to play the game of calling out the owner or being the company guy and falling on your sword. You may want to be that guy who says "Dude, this owner was a clueless *****." You'll get to say it... then you'll not work again because the owners... they don't want someone who tells them they are idiots. It doesn't end well for those guys... in any sport... hell... in any job in the world. Tell your boss he's an idiot and see what happens next.

Perhaps because I refuted your statement of why wouldn't someone want 1 of 32 jobs. And yes, you have stated your position, and yes I have spoke about Eeyore ad nauseum. So we can end the discussion and that's fine. But, at least go one step further than just posting "nope". I think the only thing that would have been more dismissive would have been to post some a GIF of some guy with bad hair saying "WRONG".

Should have expected this. Tried to give you credit, you devolved into what others always call you out for. Good day.

The team's system has been better this year. The results have been bad. You think a coach would make these players (the ones everyone says suck) a better team? I don't think so. I'm all for changing things up, just so everyone can realize that continual change is not the answer. But those who clamor for it are always looking for the next answer without accepting that the answer is to not take drastic action. Fire everyone.. let's see what happens. I'll put my money on the fan base only being more incendiary next year and the year after that and the year after that. I get the passion to change things. Change doesn't always happen overnight. We are seeing the results of incompetent ownership. The people you want to fix things aren't going to sign up to work for incompetent owners. So you have to hope you get lucky with the next tier of people who are willing to sign up for the job. It's like hoping your 3rd round draft picks turn into NHL super stars.

Yes. I said it in another thread when Lou Lamoriello was brought up. Lou is a free agent GM. Why on Earth is he coming to Buffalo? He's not. If you are an established hockey leader, you don't take jobs like the ones in Buffalo. You don't go work for an owner who has shown incompetence. You don't do this for quite a few reasons: 1. You are still getting paid from the last job you had. 2. You built your brand and reputation as a competent leader and that could be undone working for an incompetent owner. 3. You are on the short list of EVERY GM/coaching vacancy that comes up. You can afford to skip this year because next year there will be 3 more. Now you are being as irrational as the people you railed about in another thread. The ROR situation was a disaster. ROR forced the situation with his damn Eeyore tactics and the owner wanted him to get rid of him. He ties the GMs hands. Which, by the way, is a good indication of why an established GM might not want to come work for the Pegulas. That said, keeping Eeyore wasn't going to help the team. He thought the fans were against him. He didn't like hockey anymore. He's certainly the mentally tough person the Sabres needed. Botterill should have turned down the job too. I would at this point. Why would I want my first foray into being a GM to be at the mercy of an ownership group that is likely going to make me look stupid and incompetent? Just because it's 1 of 32 jobs? Not good enough. You work your way up in the industry to get a shot you don't want to throw away years of work in building your reputation to have it tarnished by being put in a no win situation. I guess I'll practice what I preached in the other thread at this point.

Keep fighting that air. You should be sorry to believe what you believe because while you are sitting there being completely irrational about the Sabres lack of organizational competence you are also throwing every other team in the league in with them. Goalies are in charge of what is on their masks and pads, not the teams. You may want it different, but in the NHL that's now how it works. It's not an indictment on the Sabres, no matter how hard you try to make it one. You can pin this on the goalie if you'd like. Perhaps he should get his mask repainted (at his expense). It's not often that people on here are flat out wrong, and I admire your fortitude in sticking to the point, but it's undeniable that teams don't get into the goalie's mask unless there is going to be a potential legal concern.

If anyone wants me to say it.. Botterill is not the problem, not yet. The problem is recovering from the mistakes that were made prior. This off-season is the critical off-season for him. This is when so many salaries come off the books. The roster can be remade as he would like. If he fails at that, then he should be gone. If he even looks like he is failing at that then he should be gone. But at the moment, I can't fire the guy. Pegulas are to blame for this mess. Instability in the front office in the first few years of ownership and a clear lack of understanding of the game of hockey kept the Sabres from getting any big names (although Botterill was considered an up and comer). Firing him now would only enhance that image. I can only imagine who would want to come lead the Sabres at that point.

He'll get knocked over once and people will say we should trade him for someone who gets 450 PIMs... because "culture".

People can't handle losing and become irrational. You know, it's what fans tell themselves is acceptable behavior. "I'm a fan, so I'm supposed to be irrational." You'll live longer if you just ignore the insanity people are spewing at this point. Trade anyone, fire everyone. People forget that happened once before... say right about the time the team last made the playoffs. Everyone has the answer, but to date no one has had the answer. People are nuts. It's how it goes. Last night the Golden Boy #9 had reverted back to the Eichel of last season. Smashing his stick in the corner and then causing an offsides because he was whining. The team clearly is not playing the way it needs to play, but you can't have your "C" smashing sticks in the corner just because he missed the net with a shot. The Sabres have shallow depth and have lost more man games to injury this season. Those are bad combinations. They also play in a loaded conference in a loaded division. They aren't good enough. They weren't going to be good enough. People want to continue to hang onto the fact that trading Eeyore to the Blues was the problem. That somehow Eeyore would have saved the franchise. The same guy who felt Buffalo hated him.. (hmmm).. yeah. I am sure it would have been great for him to stick around. His last year in Buffalo the fans made Eeyore feel like he didn't love the game, that it was all his fault. That's the mentally strong player you want leading your team. The one who could overcome the crushing despair of the fanbase. The fans are being asshats and directing their ire in the wrong places. There's only 1 name that belongs at the top of the list as to why the Sabres are where they are, Pegula. They screwed up the franchise with their ineptitude as owners. They're learning, but the damage takes a long time to recover from. But people want to ignore rational thinking and want to roast everyone at the fire. A large portion of the Sabres fan base has gone off the deep end and are having their own versions of the Salem Witch Trials. Meh. All I can say is, tune them out. You'll be happier.

I get to watch a game.. so I am excited. (you can snark respond to this, it's okay. If I were watching the Avs game I would have found something else to do after the first two goals were scored). It's how I roll.... Go Sabres!

Well.. I might see this game at the bar before my kids plays tonight... Go Sabres!

If I tried to pay attention to this my angst would only grow. Watching party candidate hopefuls tear each other apart is ridiculous. Let's all trash each other but when one person is picked let's be expected to throw our support behind that person... yeah, the one we just said was unfit to be picked. Could anything be more asinine? And its both parties... just depends on the year.

Fair, but as I said.. a guy has to want to sign here. Why would Lou have signed here? The team wasn't on the verge of winning, the Islanders were. Why would Trotz sign here? The team did not have the right players, the Islanders did. Most importantly, and I don't think this should ever be underestimated. This team, in its first years under Pegula showed incredibly instability. Established hockey guys aren't signing up to come in and work under an owner trying to figure his stuff out. I have no doubt that LaFontaine incident really stung the organization.

A little too much credit to Lou frankly. Look at that roster. The only players on it that were acquired AFTER Lou took over are: Kuhnhackle Varlamov Komarov Martin (who had already been there prior) The strength of that team existed before Lou ever stepped foot in the door. Lou might prove valuable, but I don't see how you give him credit here more than bringing in Trotz. But the coach makes the players better and Trotz managed to do that while losing the best player on the team (at the time) in Tavares. The Islanders went from giving up the most goals in the NHL to giving up the least. The GM doesn't do that and he didn't even bring in players to make that happen. Trotz made it happen. Sure, it takes a GM to get a coach. A coach also has to want to sign in the city. Hell, the GM has to want to sign in the city.

Trotz is one of only a very select number of coaches who have an immediate impact on a team. That was the single best move the Islanders could have made.

I'll listen while driving to Brockport for my kids game today. Miss most of it while I am there. Glad to see tickets prices have gone to the floor so I can pick up a few games and take my son. It's hockey.. and as frustrating as it is and as much as I want them to be better, I'll still go if the economics are right. If they get you down, tune out, why let them impact even a part of your life negatively. You can still be a fan and not pay attention.

See, that's a smart thing. Coming here to read and post, if you are already agitated, is only going to agitate you more. Best to just step away and find something else to fill in the time so you can stay a happier person. I applaud you.

For all those who said they can't see that far into the future... please remember that vote when you call a player a bust. ?

Well at least it gives people something to talk about. I mean lord knows if this didn't happen people would have to resort to spending their time complaining about the team day in and day out. Who wants to do that?

Well... I'll watch the game.. until I don't feel like it anymore. Then I will do something else. And I won't even be the slightest bit upset or worried about it. Go Sabres!

I just want to say... If energy is neither created nor destroyed... And if we are comprised of energy... Then when we die, our energy is transformed... And we are reincarnated into whatever feeds on that energy... After enough cycles, perhaps that energy reassembled itself enough to feel as though you've had a past life... Because your energy has been around for eternity.

This is perhaps the most common way trials work these days. This is also why subscription buying is the trend. People buy everything via credit card and don't bother to look in detail at the transactions. So a little $10 here, $140 there and people miss it and forget about it. Everyone thinks they need Netflix, but if they were to truly look at their viewing habits they might be surprised how little they watch at times. Some people watch a ton of it though.. but those who don't end up paying a lot of money for only a few hours of entertainment.

No. I also don't see colors when I hear sound. I'm not sure why you chose to respond that way. If you did not understand my point it would have been better to just say as such so that I may attempt to clarify for you. Super simple version: Entity A sucks at A,B,C Entity B sucks at A,B,C,D Entity C sucks at B,D,E,F,G,H,I The order in which the issues above appear are their importance to each other. Each letter is the same in each group. As such, "I" is not as important as "B" however, and "D" is not as important as "A". However, Entity B sucks that much more than Entity A and Entity C, while doing A and C well, apparently sucks at a lot of other things. Now, if you applied a general value of importance to each you could calculate just how much it matters. Which is to say, if "A" had a value of 100, but "B" was 10, and the remainders down the line even less.. then Entity C, while doing more things wrong actually sucks less than Entities A and B because at least they do the really important thing right. See, it's easy. I can use colors if you want. ?

In your circles I can believe it.. you might unconsciously distance yourself from the kind of person that would believe the NE.. but people did. (I also was not around people like that). The only.. ONLY way this falls apart for the Republicans is if the constituents in the states of the Republican senators begin to show signs of not supporting their Senator for re-election in 2020... otherwise it's party line all day long... despite the obviousness of what has happened. In the end it's not even about whether or not Trump did something wrong and broke the law. The GAO has already basically said he did. It's a question of whether any of the 53 Republican Senators will actually vote to the law as opposed to the party line. Sad does not even begin to describe our political state at the moment...