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But at the time we didn’t realize they were poor prospects. We had Grigs, Girgs, McCabe, Risto, Zadarov. We were even excited about Baptiste and Bailey. And don’t get me started on how awesome Pu was gonna be! lol

I don’t think he’s trying to blame the fans… I think he’s saying that other teams are trying to use the media to manipulate the Sabres. Nothing to do with the fans who they don’t listen to anyways… I get the same sense that people wanted to put lowball the Sabres … Look at what the media narrative was when we got McLeod. We got a guy who was a 50 pt 2 Way center on a good contract with good defensive numbers… And somehow the spin was that it was the worst trade in the last 15 years since Forsburg for erat - and the Hockey news dope who made that statement sticks by that judgment!

Add Stone to LTIR and they can sign Bennett too.

You sound like you need to be in a gym

"Adams overvalues his players" came about by Adams himself when he bragged about his prospect pool and said many GMs are dying to steal his prospects. Adams decided to keep his picks and prospects and not trade them for players that would block them. He said that. He wanted to build sustained winning but he can figure out you have to win first to sustain winning. This came from the league and media because it was true, not because fans made it up. Do you think hockey people in St Louis, Carolina, Los Angeles, or anywhere else listen to Sabres fans? But go ahead and blame the fans. The team has been bad for 14 years because of the fans, and it has nothing to do with how Terry and Kim ran things. You love to remind us that Terry wins with the Bills and the Bandits - so it must be the fans. Coaches and players don't want to come here because of the fans and the city right? Not because they have been inept for 14+ years and counting.

I just don't want to be so wrapped up in disappointment that I can't comprehend good moves and that's what's happened hear, IMO. I'll give you one example. Fans hated Mitts for most of his time. He shines through a little, and I mean a little and KA is trading away "our best forward . I know you read that too. Conversely, If we signed him then - right now we would be killing KA for giving him 5.75 for 40 pts. We can't hate on that, so we switch to KA screwed us by getting Byram for Mitts and we'll lose him and he knew he wasn't a fit, blah blah blah. We have the better piece in Byram, period. Byram played better than Mitts last year, period. Can't we see what he nets us before getting nuts? If that's Misa, we won huge, IMO.

There is no market to move. This is a saying that really does not apply. You don't increase the value of a player by announcing you want to trade him, many times that lowers his value. IF the Sabres actually do anything, they will likely be trading current players, prospects and picks in combination.

I thought the same thing as you when I first saw a link from this site... But they actually list Friedman's 32 thoughts podcast as a reference. If you go to the podcast Friedman actually does muse about this stuff.

Except Murray did not do the exact same thing. He traded NHL players with the goal to lose on purpose. Then he acquired the wrong players and coaches.

Three full off seasons later .... let trade some prospects for players! OK. Looking forward to seeing results.

Is it really wet or does it just create the feeling that it’s wet?

A better approach would have been to have KA working for Jarmo. In general, I'm happy/encouraged with the new staff addition. I'm not sure how much authority he has. Giving advice is different from exercising authority.

The owner hired a person who had little qualification for the job. Then the owner allowed him to stay on the job when his record demonstrated that he should have been dispatched. This is not a normally functioning NHL franchise. This is a Terry Pegula owned franchise. What the Pittsburgh Pirates are to baseball, the Sabres are to NHL hockey. We are a steppingstone franchise for talented young players to move on from. Failure emanates from the top.

Except when Murray got here, he drafted like *****, his predecessor had drafted like *****, and so after he did that, there was literally nothing in the pipe. Versus now, we're the youngest team in the league, we have a list of talented players in the NHL, we have good prospect depth, and we aren't trading everything, just a few pieces. Besides, Murray traded for the booger sugar bros and captain nutjob. At least ror was a good deal.

That why the Jarmo hiring gives me a little bit of hope that Terry is realizing what a mess this is.

No.

My problem is so many of you guys are really rooting for the Sabres to trade picks and prospects for players who help us win now. Almost like “screw the future, I want to win now”. And that’s cool. But it’s probably some of the same people who absolutely chastised Tim Murray for doing exactly that during his time. Now, Murray’s plan didn’t work, but he mortgaged our future to bring in players to help the team win now just like what you’re asking Adams to do.

Of course, Adams should not be in charge, but the arrogance and obtuseness begins at the top. It's difficult to sustain hope when that is an obvious brake on future success. If TP is unable to learn a modicum of humility after 14 years, no amount of rational calculation regarding talent and roster construction is going to mean much. One is reduced to random luck, miracle, or change in ownership as what could conceivably pull the franchise out of its lamentable ways.

But what else is there to talk about?

Go back and watch the Blue and Gold of when he was hired. He states he doesn’t know what he’s doing so he has a little book with him and he says he asks a lot of questions and writes the answers down in the book. It was embarrassing at the time and hasn’t improved.

It seems he wasn’t allowed. That was the point of Pegula flying into Montreal to give his “The answer is in the room” speech. That was the “you guys figure it out I’m not signing off on any deal right now” speech.

Doing nothing when your team loses 13 games in a row is inexcusable. Nobody can tell me otherwise, your job as a GM is to put together a winning roster. You had to know losing 13 games would derail your entire season, his excuse was nobody was willing to come here yet we traded Cozens for Norris at the deadline. Adams is terrible at his job and now we have to suffer another season with this clown.

It's a big if but if Norris can be more durable, this trade will be a positive deal. And moving Cozens was the right thing to do for the player. He needed a change of scenery.

That wasn't the trade. You may not think much of Docker but he's an NHL player.

You laid out the situation that he is now in. It's like a student who doesn't go to class and when he does, he doesn't pay attention. So when the finals arrive he panics and is forced to resort to all night study seasons and cheat sheets hidden in his sleaves in order to pass the test. I diverge with most of the participants here in that they are demanding desperate moves to compensate for the GM's prior lassitude. In my view, that would be a horrible mistake. It's time that this archaically operated franchise start acting more judiciously. A lot of action doesn't necessarily translate into productive action. The biggest impact moves that this front office can do this offseason is upgrade the goalie position and get a better mix with the blueline. I'm not suggesting that the forward lines don't need to be modified but the priority should be at the goalie and defender position.