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And invisibility at the AHL level is tougher to do. (He last played in the NHL in 2021-22, three seasons spent in the AHL as a bottom-six guy there.)

LaFontaine - first time POHO Murray - first time GM Kim Pegula- first time whatever it was she did while running the Sabres Boterill - first time GM Housley - first time HC Krueger- HC for a few months, fired, became a soccer coach in Europe, then hired by Terry in a bizarre move Adams - First time GM Granato - first time HC Ruff - retread Sabres and a lazy hire instead of doing a structured coach search There are no different reasons. He keeps doing the same thing - He keeps losing. He keeps hiring people that he can control. He keeps settling for cheap and easy hires. He will not hire anyone that is headstrong on how to do things. He fears he will be cut out. He has not hired a proven winner yet.

The Sabres disrespected the black goathead sweaters last night.

I'll be there at Union.

I'm not sure how anyone can disagree. The different reasons, as I said, just nullify that he keeps doing the same thing over and over. That's untrue.

The thought of making any further trades with Adams at the helm terrifies me, but why would we want to trade someone like Alex Tuch who competes, scores, and isn't afraid to get his hands dirty ... when we should be talking about trading a jellyfish like Quinn for whatever we can get for him, like even for a low scoring grinder type player who could play a significant role if we were ever to make the playoffs.

Lindy explained their game plan of how to play the Oilers and they played it to perfection. Do they not do this for every team? Since forever they fold against big, strong checking teams. Might want to work up a strategy to play these types of teams. Or, we just don’t have the personnel to succeed against those teams?

And we need to get over the idea that he was brought here to play hockey. That very clearly wasn’t the case.

We can't keep paying players big money while the on ice effort is worth half the money. If Tuch plays like a 5milj. AAV but wants to be paid the dubble there is nothing to do except a trade. A first round pick and a prospect is what we will get in that case. The hard thing is to find a replacement. We don't have a replacement in the system, we could get lucky and find another ufa like Zucker, but most likely we need to trade Byram or Power to get what we need.

Couldn’t agree more

The thing that bugs me most about the whole Jerry Forton and his influence is how there’s a story out there that he’s close to the McAvoy’s and was pushing hard for us to draft Charlie, but we instead went Nylander. The one time the guy was right, we ignored him.

Geertsen was 100% on Ruff.

Yeah, so much for he and Timmons being a good pair at home at least. They lost their minds in the 3rd.

Still plan on having 3 for Union.

Terry has yet to hire a legitimate hockey GM to run hockey operations. Most of us here knew Adams was not only unqualified, but was his puppet. Look at his past hires, almost all are out of the league for good. Losing the 3rd period 4-0 at home, to the worst team in the league, on a back to back, right after playing their best game of the season - it was predictable and it just happened one week earlier against St Louis. The players just do not want it enough, the coaches are being ignored, it’s past the time to flush the coaching staff.

Yeah, Adams needs to go. But Forton needs to be clearing out his desk the same day. Doesn't Pegula have some sort of tie to Jerry? He'll be a mole in the new guy's operation and end up with too loud a voice. Until Forton is gone, personally don't expect things will ever truly change. Yes, Adams is bad at his job and needs to go, but Forton seems to be the cancer that's going to metastasize throughout the organization. IF he survives the next purge, and personally expect he will someone be one of the survivors, would almost rather have him be the GM and take the pain that comes with him demonstrating the Peter Principle than have him merely having one of the loudest voices in the room and having Pegula's ear. Because, they're always going to do boneheaded things as long as he has input. Yes, he identified McAvoy, but he was unable to convince anyone else. Since then, he hasn't seemed to be as good at picking them, but he has found his voice in the room, unfortunately.

also with Greenways injury history I am not sure I feel comfortable on counting him in....

I wish I was with the concept of we need to retool or we are making progress . I would say even if we are a little, I dont see it being the type of progress that propels us to the playoffs as a relevant contending team... JMO ( you may be here as well...) but in the end I am at the... how do you fix this... (simplistic take on what would be an involved plan) A significant addition of Vet talent, an overhaul of they type of skilled player that plays with grit, Veteran leadership that by example demands 60 minutes of effort and consistency to change the over all culture of this team... If you could execute on this strategy in our current form then fine, lets re tool.... Problem to me is actually getting those players, especially talented vets, to come here via trade or FA after the longest tenure of failure in the league faced with incompetent management and ownership... So to me they need to eradicate the FO and coaching staff... hire and pay a well respected and successful GM/POHO and allow them to assess the players and situation. One that could actually convince a more talented player to come here because it is going to be different... I also accept that the decision may be blow it up, trade for assets and totally rebuild... in fact, I feel like that is the most likely outcome... but who knows... But in the end, we need to remove the we cannot obtain talent via trade or FA moniker from this team... that at this point is the scarlet letter that this brand bears as a result of multiple decades of embarrassing and unparallel incompetence and abject failure...

Except, IN Buffalo, the Sabres usually play well and often beat the Eulers; and they play like trash against Calgary there too. So expectations were met EXACTLY as should've been expected. And out west, the pattern is reversed, Both the Eulers and Flames play to their normal levels and the Sabres end up expected to go 1-1 again, but the way you expected this week to go.

His decisions have been repetitively bad. Just because they have been bad for different reasons doesn't alter the fact that they have been bad decisions. The one consistent theme that has applied to most of his decisions is that he has made bumbling poor decisions in who he has hired to run the hockey operation. There are multiple ways to fail. But when all is said and done, failing is failing.

Power and Bryson make no sense. BUT you aren't breaking up Samuelsson-Dahlin, Byram-Power doesn't work, and Bryson-Byram would be a disaster waiting to happen. Byram-Timmons looked very good against the Eulers and Bryson-Power wasn't bad against them either. But then again, as somebody had mentioned in the Euler GDT, Bryson is actually an NHL D-man when he's playing against a fast team that doesn't play a heavy game. So, there was a logic (personally disagree with it, but there was a way to justify Bryson on Monday) to having him in there. That Byram-Timmons deficated the bed in the 3rd period made the thought process to come up with Bryson-Power even worse. They needed to have a more defensively responsible guy in the lineup instead of Bryson playing vs a heavy team like Calgary because those are the teams Bryson has issues with and Power needs a defensively responsible guy to partner with and really Byram does too. Metsa and Jones aren't that guy. If Johnson, or even if Novikov got his 1st taste of the NHL, the team probably doesn't give up the 2nd goal nor the one Rosen is getting blamed for. And they could've flipped Timmons and Johnson/Novikov to Power and Byram after the clock struck midnight on the Byram and Timmons pairing.

They were on a back to back.

The issue isn't whether they should be 1-1 or 2-0 or 0-2. The meaningful issue is how they played last night. There was no passion or display of urgency in their play. It seemed as if they were going through the motions against a lesser team that played harder and cared more. Considering that the Sabres are at the bottom of their division and their wretched history of failure for a generation, that is an indictment on the whole organization. Losing isn't the issue. It's how their collective play showed no heart and passion It's pathetic and a disgrace.

The only insanity is we keep saying the same things, ever how untrue they are. I don't excuse TP, he's clearly failed. He's made multiple different types of hires, he's fired people quickly with term on their contracts, he's now kept a GM for too long. Nothing has worked but his decisions aren't close to being repetitive.

I just don’t get what Terry is doing with the Sabres. He seems to want to be surrounded by people who will listen to him more than winning on and off the ice. He is losing huge $ and is the owner of the worst franchise in professional sports, and he seems ok with that.