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over valuing assets is a thing with fans in general and definitely with Sabres fans. Don't you find it funny that everybody is always throwing him into deals? Did you see anything in his call up time that makes you think he's an NHL player? I did not.

Didn't say Chara was "clean" just that he wasn't a dirty player or rat like Marchand or Bennett. Stevens laid head shots on people that's the thing with him. If you had your head down and went to the middle on him you were dead. Pronger was a cross checker and ankle chopper.

Bennett is a mean sob and dirty but to me Tkachuk is the bigger rat. He's the crosscheck, spear, stick you in the ribs and then play innocent guy. I think currently he is the league's biggest actual rat.

So now you conservatively have Dahlin at 11 whatever, Samuelsson at 4.3, Power at 8.3, Miller at let's say 6. That's 4 lhd for 30 million roughly. As I said, unless you can jettison Samuelsson, this doesn't make sense. And you still have to trade Byram.

I get that but when you have three of them, at some point you should trade some for others with at least a skill set we're lacking.

I clearly don't know him like some of you. I did some reading up on him and watched about an hour of some video. I concede that I put together too much for him but I am interested in a better mix. I think we all agree on that, so I just thought added attributes we don't currently have. I must say, I do think we over value Samuelsson. I don't think we could trade him if we told a team they can have him and you don't have to give us anything. So we're not getting Miller for him.

I would think we would all be tired of over priced, under performing young defenseman at this point. Let's find a 29-32 yr old vet to lead this God forsaken D group of ours. This group needs to get older...not younger.

This is where you are wrong imho. Miller can certainly play top pairing minutes with Dahlin 5 on 5. The Rags paired Miller with Fox as their 4th most common pairing last season. They had a GF% of 61% and an XGF of 64%. These number were significantly better than Fox's numbers with his most common partner Schneider. While Miller's scoring was down this past season, he had 49 and 47 points the prior 2 seasons and has average 21 to 22 minutes a night of PT including nearly 22 minutes a game last season. HE has also averaged nearly 56% D zone starts in his career including 58% last season. Most of his PT is 5 on 5, but he played often the NYR PK and occasionally on the PP.

I plan to.

If you can move out Samuelsson, sure, get Miller but without that move, it's not good team building.

He's not good enough to be a 1st pair player. If he can't play with Power, he's a 3rd pair in buffalo. Why are we trading assets and paying that much for a 3rd pairing defender? Because he hits?

By the way the guy from Softcell, his voice is sadly going. Modern English sounded great as did Simple Minds. Simple Minds has this incredible lady drummer named Cherisse Osei. They also have a wonderful "backup" singer named Sarah Brown who did a great rendition of Book of Brilliant Things as part of our encore.

Are you saying Miller is a 3rd pairing D? I'll respectfully disagree. I think he is a solid top 4 D with some good physical attributes. He adds some offense and is ok defensively (but an improvement on nearly everyone on the Sabres). With the right partner, he'd be a major improvement for the Sabres. The problem is Power isn't that partner, but Dahlin could be.

Actually, until he raised them up a tad, no, they weren't for a vast array of his opponents. Again, he learned very early on what the league would let him get away with and took full advantage of it. And popping guys in the head with an elbow is dirty.

Paying 6 million to a 3rd pairing defender is bad cap management imo. That's his low end salary estimate.

It could be. It also will be REAL interesting to see how long their dominance lasts. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic came along at just the right time to capitalize on improvements to training and equipment to stay at absolute top form for far longer than any other dominant players on the men's side. Now that their machines are pretty much out of the picture (though Djokovic hasn't yet fully given up the ghost) wonder just how long these 2 can continue to divvy up the tennis world between them (and maybe 1 more as, unlike with Sith Lords, always there are 3 seems to be SOP). (Disclaimer: don't follow tennis all that closely, so if one of you that do follow the sport closely want to say that Roger, Rafa, and Novak didn't dominate all that long, well as Emily Lutella used to say "nevermind." Though, personally, believe that having the 3 of them dominate the sport for over 20 years is in fact unprecedented in the modern era.)

It’s not chara’s fault that his elbows were at everyone else’s head level

Why do people assume Rosen has no value? When we drafted him everyone knew he was going to take longer than other prospects? He was a small, undersized, underdeveloped kid with promising abilities. But we knew he was years away. He’s been playing really well in Rochester and every time he gets called up he’s playing with 4th line trash. No way you can tell if someone has it that way

Didn't realize Queensryche's members were still alive, much less still performing, might just have to check them out. Empire was an awesome album.

Stevens blew people up. Don't recall him throwing that many elbows. Not when a perfectly timed shoulder will do SOOOOO much more damage. Pronger might've been dirtier than Chara. Let's say he was for sake of argument. That doesn't make Chara "clean."

I'll be seeing Fu Manchu in Boston in September and Stereolab in October in Buffalo.

The messed up part about this is that we probably care more than the players do. Right now Tuch is probably making a baby in his mansion without a care in the world while we’re on here talking about coaches, assistants, new players etc , sometimes it sucks to be a fan.

Go back and read your response to my post.

That will be a fun show.

I can agree with Bennett but as much as Tkachuk plays hard and is an agitator I don't view him as a cheap shot artist. He will push you, punch you and chop you but most of the time it is when you are looking at him. I don't see him railing people from behind like some guys do. I am sure it happens but Tkachuck is willing to stand up for what he does. No one needs to fight his battles for him.